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Էջը պարբերաբար համալրվելու է նոր ձայնագրություններով։

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11. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ՏԱՍՆՄԵԿԵՐՈՐԴ / ELEVENTH ENCOUNTER

Հայերեն սղագրությունը շուտով հասանելի կլինի։

Recorded in August, 2023

It was very early in the morning... I remember we were surprised to hear the voice of my brother-in-law. "What could it be at this hour?" we thought. By the time we got out, he was gone.

We have a habit of checking the news on the phone every morning, before starting our work. We got on the phones and saw that there were already shootings in Stepanakert [capital of Artsakh, Nagorno-Karabakh], etc. Then we heard my brother-in-law again, who said that the war started. We didn't take it seriously at first, there had always been shootings now and then, so we thought this time it wouldn’t last long either. Then my father-in-law called and said that the boys should get ready to go to the front line. They got ready in a hurry, we sent them off, but we were still thinking it wouldn’t last long, maybe an hour or two.

After they left, we started hearing sounds. Since our village was located a little far from all the action, we could only hear sounds of explosions, but judging from those sounds we realized that this was something different: we'd never heard anything like that before. We immediately started following the news on our phones again and calling our friends to see what was happening, and it became obvious that it was all very serious. There were no men left in the village, everyone had gone to the front, and so did my husband with his brothers, my father-in-law, only the grandfather stayed. There was nothing left for us to do but to wait and see how the situation would develop. They left the car behind so that if something happened, we could take the children out. So we waited and waited... finally the boys called and said that although it’s serious, we shouldn’t be afraid. Well, we weren't afraid, only the grandma and grandpa were panicking. I'm a bit of a reserved person, I try not to panic right away before understanding the situation. And so we went home, and had some coffee, I remember like it was today... the grandma was walking around and crying, but I said, "Ok, let's have some coffee and calm down for a moment." I prepared some food, it was early in the morning, so I said let’s calm down, eat, and then we’ll see. Everyone said, “How can you be so calm, can’t you hear, don’t you see what’s happening?” I said I do, but I said we can’t change anything now.
***
We decided to leave... We agreed that my son would drive the car, he was twelve at that time, and I would be walking ahead of the grandpa with my husband's weapon in my hands since we didn't know what could happen. The shortest road out was through the mountains, but it was a little more dangerous than the other, longer road, so we were conscious that there might be sabotage on the way. We started getting ready, prepared the rifle, put some of our belongings in the car. It was a small car, but we took a couple of essentials for the children. Who knows for how long we'll have to be away? So we got ready but decided to wait for the call
[from the front line]. They called a few times and said we should stay for now. Grandpa really wanted to leave as soon as possible, but I said, let's wait, the boys are there, they'll definitely tell us to leave and take the children out if they see it’s getting too dangerous. We didn't want them to hear all these sounds or see things, or let that fear affect them too much.
***
Finally, we slowly moved towards Armenia, it was already evening. We managed to take the children out safely, but I kept wanting to go back. My husband and his two brothers were all on the front lines. Even though they
[the authorities] didn't want to take all three of them together, saying that at least one man in the family should stay, all three of them volunteered.
When we left we didn’t even lock the doors of the house. I left the key in the lock from outside. We had pigs, chickens, cows, horses, so I opened all the cages to let them go, I said, "I don't know when I will come back, at least they won’t die.“

Whenever my husband would call me I’d tell him that we should go and bring at least some of our belongings, but he always said no, he said that we would go back. But I had no hope, I knew from the first moment that nothing would be ok.
***
There were many good days, but the main thing is... Look, it’s been three years that we’ve been here
[in Armenia], but there has probably not been one day when we felt completely happy. I lived there [in the village in Artsakh] for fifteen years after marriage, my husband was from there. There are many memories associated with that place, all very happy ones... One might think that the village lifestyle is less developed compared to city life, but for us, it was way better than the so-called developed life here [in Yerevan, the capital of Armenia]. Memories... We had no worries, we were free and independent; from everything. Life is very different there and here, friendships, warm relationships... everything really. Now, if they gave our home back to us, we would return without a second of hesitation.

After the war, we wanted to go back [to Artsakh], we heard there were plans to build a village for the people whose territories were handed over to Azerbaijan. We subscribed, but it never came true. My father-in-law went back to organize everything, and at first, we had high hopes that we would go back. But days went by, and after each phone call our hopes faded more and more... perhaps they realized that Artsakh would not remain, and didn’t do anything. So we stayed in Armenia. This is the fifth house we have moved to after the war, let's hope that this, at least, is the final one.
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Nature... freedom and nature, all pure and free from everything. It's not the same here, even if you live in a house. We lived there in our own house, it was like a paradise – green everywhere, fresh air, wild animals, there were even bears near us. Our village was at an altitude of 2200 meters above the sea, with endless fields around, not so much forests, but mostly fields, wildlife, flowers, freedom, animals... You felt free, you felt good, and even the air was special. Some people would say, "How can you live here?", we said, "Why not, even the eagles fly below us, not everyone can live here." And, unlike many people, we were absolutely healthy. I used to say that it’s because we drank the purest water, we ate the purest food, we had the cleanest air, why should we get sick or complain about something?
***
It’s painful when you know that it’s your homeland, but they come in and say it's not yours, it's theirs. Do you know how many khachkars
[Armenian cross-stones] there were in our village, what rich history it had? How can it be, that you see all this with your own eyes, but someone comes and says, it’s not Armenian, it's Azerbaijani. How could that be true? Our village was completely covered with khachkars, it had two Armenian churches belonging to the XIIth-XIIIth centuries, and two other Armenian churches were demolished [by Azerbaijanis (during the Soviet Union?)]. Those two were preserved thanks to the Kurds, who were using them as barns. As for the demolished ones, stones from these churches were used by Azerbaijanis for construction, so wherever you went, it was impossible not to find a piece of khachkar stone or an Armenian inscription. So you see all this, but you’re told that it’s not yours. It's so hard to speak about it...
***
One day a man came to the village... There was an apple tree next to the church, I went there to see if there were any apples on that tree, to pick them for the kids. I saw a strange car, and a stranger walking around the church. Well, I'm a curious person, whenever a stranger appears in the village, I want to know why they came. So I approached to say hello, we started talking, and I asked him what brought him to our village, it was surprising to see a stranger alone. It turned out that he was from the US, he was a writer, searching to photograph centuries-old churches and cross-stones all over Artsakh for his book. So he asked me to show him a few things and said that he was surprised to find centuries-old churches here. I showed him a few cross-stones too all filled with Armenian writings, he photographed them. He said, "I'm simply astonished... We’re told something completely different, but when you come and find it and try to compare the reality with what they present to you, it’s all quite cruel." He said, "They are presenting us with something completely different, that it has never been Armenian, but now I am surprised.“ He promised to give me one of the books with khachkars, but it didn't work out I guess. And it happened many times that foreigners came, and were very surprised. Not only our village, there was no place in the whole of Artsakh where you would set foot and not find Armenian monuments, I don't know, khachkars, chapels, monuments from the VII
th and VIIIth centuries.
There were many interesting days, especially when foreigners and tourists were coming to the village. Now and then we wonder, if there had been no war, what would it be like now, what would have changed...
***
The only good thing is that the children haven't seen all the horrors, we didn't want them to remember all that. It's one thing to hear, it's another thing to see. Whenever there were explosions, we would tell them it was hunters. We didn’t want extra trauma for them.

We were getting ready to leave when my brother and his friends came to Taq Jur [literally “hot water", natural hot water springs in Artsakh]. He called me and asked to wait for him, he wanted to come with us so we don’t get scared. I said we’re not scared, the grandpa will come with us, my son will drive, and I will walk in front with a weapon. We had learned how to defend ourselves, because every moment something could have happened. To be completely honest we were a little scared: who knows what would happen on the road? We were hearing explosions and gunshots, and many of our friends living in the villages located lower were calling and saying that they cannot leave, they’re surrounded by gunfire. I was also worried for the kids, didn’t want them to see anything, such kind of memories stay with you for a long time, no matter how much you try to forget. Anyway, in the end, we agreed to wait for my brother to come accompany us.
***
I went back once, it was the night when my husband came down from the front line, on November 13
[after the Russian-brokered ceasfire agreement was signed between Armenia and Azerbaijan]... I wanted to bring at least some of our belongings. We couldn’t find a truck, we only had our small UAZ... It was the middle of the night, there were no lights, no people around, only distant voices, I was scared. Cars – completely bombed, on the sides of the road... I couldn’t believe it was the same road that we took to come to Armenia… it was difficult.
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I had such a lovely flower garden, I only regret that I didn't manage to bring at least one flower from there, as a memory. I've put so much love into it! Now who is going to look at it?

At first, we wanted to burn the house, but my husband did not let us. My father-in-law had ordered a beautiful iron cross to be made, we brought the cross with us. When he comes back, he’ll choose a chapel and install it there. I also regret that I didn’t bring any books from our village library, the only link I could think of at that moment was our house…

A scene I often think about… when we were bringing our belongings, we saw two soldiers, they were barely eighteen. One of them approached us, said hello. And then... said he wants to ask us something, but he’s ashamed. We said, “No need to be ashamed, tell us how can we help.” He said, "Would you by any chance have something to eat?" We said, “Boys, anything you need, nothing to be ashamed of!” We gave them whatever we had. I mean, can you imagine how many others like them went through such horrors, and many did not even return home... It’s too cruel.

10. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ՏԱՍՆԵՐՈՐԴ / TENTH ENCOUNTER

Հայերեն սղագրությունը շուտով հասանելի կլինի։

Recorded in August, 2023

I was living in Stepanakert, [capital of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh)]. I lived apart from my family, they were from Hovtashen village of Martakert region [Artsakh]. I moved out when I came to Stepanakert to study, then I stayed for work and continued living alone.

On the first day of the war, on September 26th, sorry, 27th... The thing is, I love hiking and I bought different types of hiking accessories from Yerevan [capital of Armenia], for a venture we were going to start with my friend: tents, sleeping bags, a hammock, and things like that... September 27 was her brother's birthday, so we had decided to go to Shushi [Artsakh], try out the hiking gear I bought, and celebrate her brother's birthday.

I arranged the bags and set an alarm to wake up early. Before the alarm went off I was already half awake, feeling excited before the trip. I started hearing some sounds, sounds of explosions. Sleepy, I couldn't understand what was happening at first. Sounds continued, I got out, I had a small balcony... The apartment I was renting was built on a garage, there was a building in front of me, so I couldn't see the sky well. But all the residents of the building in front had gone outside. Everyone was agitated, it was impossible to understand what was happening. So the explosions continue and I am staring blankly, stunned, and still don't understand what's this all about... all these explosions in the air, then another one, closer, just a few buildings away, the roof got hit by a drone... everything shattered… We finally understood that it’s war.

I remember an interesting scene, there was a truck standing on the side of the road, a ZIL. The hood was open, and a man was repairing something. He didn’t even raise his head... I was looking at him the whole time, it's interesting that now going back step by step I recall this scene, and the first person whom I remember is the one who didn't panic at all, as if something very ordinary was happening. Meanwhile, the sounds of children crying could be heard from the building in front. It was around 7 am, I can't recall the exact time now... Well, at that time on a Sunday everyone is usually asleep. There was a constant buzz in the air: people’s voices, noises, cries, phone conversations, mostly with the relatives in the army. We were quickly scrolling through Facebook to understand the situation... I was still standing on my balcony, and I can't say how long I stayed there.

Well, we finally understood that the war had started. The most terrifying image haunting my imagination since childhood was war. Ever since I was a kid, and heard stories about the previous war from my dad. I had nightmares about it. When I was older, we had one similar experience during the short April war in 2016.

People quickly went down to the basements. First I wanted to go wearing just shorts and a T-shirt, then I remembered stories from the past that the elders told, about how long they stayed in the basement, etc., etc., so I thought that all this might take long, another bombing might start after we enter the basement. I came home, put on long pants, sneakers... you don't know how long you'd stay there.

Meanwhile, my mom and dad also woke up from explosions. My sister-in-law saw the drones flying over the village, so she woke up my brother and told him the war had started. Right from the beginning they [the Azerbaijani military] were already hitting the important air defense systems, and military units, all of them at once. My brother's first reaction was, "Are you kidding me?" Naturally, they called me to see if I was all right, but my cell was unavailable because I was in the basement. Then at some point... I don't remember if I moved to a place with a stronger network signal, and mom called, or if I called mom... to be honest, I don't remember. Mom was surprisingly very emotional, almost crying. Well, I said, "Okay mom, please be calm, why are you getting so emotional?" In our family, we don't panic easily.

The bombing stopped for a brief period, but the buzz of noises and voices was still there, people had already come out of the basement, everyone was in panic... The civil defense sirens were turned on in the city, I don't know if you have ever heard the sound of sirens, it's quite distressing. It was the first time in my life I heard it. During the April war in 2016 I was a student living in a dormitory, but at that time whatever happened, was at the border, and we were not aware of anything. And now the first blow was right on the capital, and naturally it was serious.

I sat on the steps in front of the house. I needed to do something, I don't know... have coffee (laughs). I called my sister, she was so alarmed, I said, "OK, relax, look, I'm sitting outside drinking coffee, everything is fine, everything will be all right." My friends started writing me: how are you, etc... One of my close friends from Shushi wrote me, they saw how bombs were dropped on Stepanakert. At that time nothing had happened in Shushi yet. We talked a bit, I even said, such a pity, we didn't go to Shushi. At that moment, within the first few hours, we still did not realize that it was a full-scale war, we thought maybe they [Azerbaijanis] were just scaring us. So I kind of hoped that maybe it would be short, and we would do our party anyway. But we talked it over and decided this was out of the question for the moment.

Then my brother called and said he was leaving for the front line. He was going to come and take me home so that the whole family could stay together. First I disagreed, but he insisted, “You never know what’s gonna happen, it’s better if the family stays together.”

He came to pick me up... I had bought a military panama hat, another one of my new hiking accessories. My brother asked me, “Can you give it to me, to wear?” I said, "OK, you're going for just a couple of days, and will ruin my new hat. They will give you a hat there.” So I didn't give it to him… we couldn’t imagine that it would be such a large-scale war.

When we reached home I felt exhausted and went to my room to lie down. Before leaving, my brother came in and said, "Well, I'm going now." Very calmly, without any excessive emotions, I hugged him, and said, "Just be careful, ok?” Didn’t want him to feel disheartened. Perhaps it's also a question of upbringing, to understand who should go to the front line, and how important it is... There was no crying...

The events were developing fast, and we started hearing the names of the first victims. We decided to go to the next village, located a little higher, to Vank village, it’s in the rear. By the time we reached there, the cellphone signal had become terrible: no internet, no phone, nothing. My mom and dad left me and my sister-in-law in the village, and went back. From the moment they left, they became unreachable, we talked to them the next afternoon, because there was no cellphone signal. Somehow, there was still internet at the neighbor's, maybe because of the location of their house. I connected to see what was happening, and I read that some volunteer groups started forming. The thing is, some infrastructures were disrupted, because many men went to war, and many women left because of the panic. So volunteers were desperately needed. Among the most important places were the bakeries, where they needed people to bake bread. So I said, well, I'm going back to Stepanakert, I have to go, despite everyone’s objections. My sister-in-law’s father gave me a lift.

On the way we met a car... which was... and it’s painful to say this... a family was leaving Artsakh on a loaded truck. It was only the second day of the war.

***

Upon arrival in Stepanakert, I went to my house and contacted the groups coordinating volunteers. They told me where there was a need for baking bread and I went to that bakery. Well, we were working, baking bread, it was a very unusual job for me. There were many volunteers during the first few days, then gradually the number decreased because Stepanakert was already being systematically bombed and many people found refuge in Armenia or the rear. One of my close friends, who wasn’t called to the front line, joined me in the bakery. We were very close, before the war we had a dance group. We were mostly doing the evening shifts at the bakery because at night only a few women were working alone, and those were the most difficult hours when the volunteers were really needed. We would bake bread all night, go to sleep for a few hours, then go to the water factory to help there during the day...

Sorry... before going to that bakery, I joined some women in the fruit factory, to help sort the fruits preventing them from going bad. Now that I think of it, it seems absurd, because It seems to me there were other more important things to do. Anyhow, I went, there were a lot of other women there, we talked about this and that. There was even someone from the Artsakh Ministry of Culture, she was such a fun person, was telling interesting stories, making jokes... We probably stayed for five or six hours, and we lost touch with reality for a moment and forgot where we were... There was a woman with us, whose husband and son were on the front lines at that moment. We were cleaning peaches, they were very big ones (laughs).

Then I realized that helping to bake bread was more needed at that moment, and switched. The particular bakery where we were working was providing bread for the army even before the war. When the war started, the bread we made was loaded on trucks and sent to the front line.
So we would help in the bakery at night, and at the water factory during the day. There was a warehouse next to the water factory, and we also helped them arrange and sort the cargo that arrived and had to be sent to the front line. People sent so much humanitarian aid, from different parts of Armenia that we haven’t even seen before in our lives. It was all sent to the front lines, but a lot didn’t reach the destination, because the drones hit those cars. This was the reason that at times the food did not reach the front line, but I saw it with my own eyes and loaded it on the truck myself.
***
Another one of my close friends called and said that she was in Aknaghbyur village of Askeran region
[Artsakh]. During the previous war, Aknaghbyur was the safest village, people from different parts of Artsakh, women, came to that village for shelter. My friend and I agreed that the bread truck would bring her to Stepanakert on its way back from the front line. She joined us, and now all three of us were helping at the bakery.

The more time progressed, the worse the situation got. One evening the electricity was off because of the bombings, and we couldn’t make bread, a whole batch of dough went bad. During the bombings the “safe” place to be, if you are in the building, is between the doorways. So there we are... it was a little wide doorway, we were sitting, talking... And I ask, “What are you going to do when the war ends.” My friend said, that we'll go to my place, sit together, drink, sing dance... One of my friends used to always bring me something when she traveled, and she brought me a bottle of rum long ago...
***
This went on for quite a while, sometimes we couldn't tell the days apart, because we were doing the same thing every day: we were working in the evenings, going to sleep around five in the morning, then going to the water factory in the afternoon, then again to the bakery, etc. It had become like a second home to us, that bakery.

Once after our usual shift at the bakery, we went home to sleep around 5 am. We used to go to bed with our daily clothes on. At first, we went down to the basement, we brought a small hot bread to share. Then, quite full of ourselves, we announced we were going to sleep at home that day. So we came home, we were about to go to sleep when we started worrying and decided better not take any chances and go back to the basement. So we went back... During such times people become socially equal to each other, and we were immediately given some space to sleep... plus they knew the three of us as volunteers, when in fact, this was the least we could do... When we were about to fall asleep, there was another bombardment right in the area of our building. There was a power plant near it, and it was very important for them [Azerbaijanis] to deprive us of electricity as well. So they were constantly bombing there, but since it wasn’t always very accurate, the bombs were also hitting the apartment buildings around. Well, I imagine what would've happened had we slept at home... At that time, a guy went out of the basement to buy cigarettes. It was almost around sunrise when he was brought back to the shelter with his head injured. I remember me and my friend were completely frozen, we felt no emotions, not even a muscle moved on our faces.

A bit later some French journalists came, taking interviews. The bombing continued, and we heard news that there were already deaths in the power plant. At that time, the Ministry of Emergency Situations in Stepanakert was working quite well. Under the bombardment, they came instantly and took the boy with the injured head to the hospital.

Our friend from Shushi called and said that she would come get us because our building was very dangerous, they started bombing constantly. I said, “No way, you’re coming to do what exactly? You might be bombed right in front of our building!” So I kind of thought that the discussion was over, but then I got another call, it was my friend again, saying they were waiting outside to pick us up. Well, at that point I couldn’t have made her wait long... within seconds, I entered my flat, I took only my passport, the passport of my other friend (it was with me, I mentioned earlier that right before the war we were going to register an ethnic dance group together), and whatever I have prepared in my bag: a toothbrush, some spare clothes... nothing much. My friend told me that in Shushi they needed volunteers in the bakery even more than in Stepanakert, so we would sure be useful there as well.

Once in Shushi, we went to a large bomb shelter, quite well equipped for such situations. They called us from the bakery, saying the dough was ready and we should be there by 3 pm. We were about to leave, when some woman there said, "I'm cooking, eat something before you go, you’ll need it.” So we’re quickly eating, don’t want to be late when we hear a loud explosion, very loud. The air raid siren goes off, then we learn that they hit Shushi's House of Culture, it was quite big, and had just been built before the war. There were a lot of deaths, wounded... I don’t know the specific number to be honest, but a lot. One of the guys went to help, he later told us the horrors he had seen.

The large-scale bombardment paralyzed everything, we were unable to resume work at the bakery and stayed in the basement for a few days. It was getting quite dangerous, and my friend’s parents kept telling us to leave. But we didn’t want to, because leaving felt too similar to an ending. I remember a lot of people of came and went these few days, brought humanitarian aid... people from Armenia, from the Diaspora... Whenever I call my brother, he keeps telling me to leave too, so I get angry, how can I leave, how is this possible? In the end, my friend's mother pulls me aside and says, "It's your fault that you and your friends are not leaving, if you agree to leave, they will agree too." I got very upset because God forbid something happens to my friends, I would feel guilty. So I agreed to leave.

On the way, we stop in front of my friend's apartment building, it was that building in front of the Ghazanchetsots church. She goes up quickly to take a few personal documents, no time to take much else. I call my mother, and that’s the only time I get emotional. My mother says, "So it’s all that bad if you are coming...?" I forgot to say, that since my sister-in-law was pregnant, we decided that my parents should move with her to Yerevan, so they had been here for a while already.

The tree of us, we say, “Can you imagine if we never come back?” We laugh, that seems impossible. But we’re all very sad, because leaving feels like treason, like abandoning... My friend's mother comes with us all the way to Goris [Armenia] so that we don't decide to run off and go back. In Goris, we go to the Women's Resource Center to wait until my cousin comes to pick us up. There were a lot of various people there, and when we got out to meet my cousin, one of them approached us, and handed some money to my friend, saying that we might need it. She does not accept the money... all this feels so horrible... not because that gesture was humiliating, no, but because it suddenly hit us, that we are like refugees now. Anyway… we cried, quite a lot, then calmed down.

We arrived at my grandma’s, mom and daughter-in-law were also there. This collision of different realities... as if we landed on another planet. Now I accept it, but I couldn’t when we just arrived. The first feeling was the quietness and calmness at my grandmother's house, people could not fully comprehend the situation in Artsakh. Plus on the night we arrived, there was an occasion: my uncle's grandson was born. It was a happy occasion, of course, people were not playing zurna and dhol [musical instruments traditionally played at various gatherings in Armenia] but still it was a good occasion because a child was born. But it felt kind of... we couldn't fit into that atmosphere, because the reality we’d just left was too different. Of course, that's natural because it doesn't... people should not live as if they are always in a disaster zone, of course, they can worry, and get frustrated with the news, but everyday life cannot be paralyzed as it is, for example, in a building where the bombardments are constant. Of course, it's even absurd that it should be like that...
***
Here, we were constantly trying to do something, not be idle, to be useful. We joined some volunteer groups in Yerevan and helped a little. I remember there was a place where they were packaging salt and condensed milk into small single-use plastic bags. To make it easy to use. This was perhaps… just doing something for the salvation of the soul... Because most of us... many of us have not even been to Artsakh. Not only in Artsakh, let's say, there can be someone living in Yerevan who has never been to Tavush
[Armenia], for example, like I have never been to Meghri [Armenia]. People who have not been to Artsakh don’t have a clear understanding of the situation. Those people who have been in Artsakh could understand to some extent what is the border, what is the rear, what the situation is like there… And those who have never been, have a more filmic idea of what’s happening.

We wanted to go back, but it wasn’t possible. We thought the situation would get better, but it only got worse and worse, so when I talked to my father, he said, "It doesn't make sense for you to come, what are you going to do?"

Here... we’re always together, the three of us. When we arrived, we didn't have basic clothes to wear because we didn't bring any, who could have imagined that this would happen? We bought the same warm clothes to wear back then, and we still have them. The days went by, and on the ninth [of November 2020], we found out that the ceasefire agreement was signed. We looked at the map and saw that our village was handed over to Azerbaijan, even though there was no military action in our village. The civilian population was given five days to vacate the village. It was handed over just like that... we went and brought what we could. The war was over, but not really...

Now there’s the blockade [at the time of this recording, Azerbaijan was keeping Artsakh under blockade from December 2022 till September 2023]... plus after that, after the war, I can't tell you the number, but many territories from the Republic of Armenia and Artsakh, which were not included in the ceasefire agreement, were captured by Azerbaijan by force. They bombed Jermuk [Armenia], Sev Lich, Vardenis, many other areas... so many victims again...
***
Naturally, it's not like we remember our home only during wartime, we lived there the happiest years of our life, and our childhood was spent there. Our house, our gardens we created over the years, all resemble a small paradise in our memories. All this time we’re here it’s those memories that sustain us, and give us strength. Just like we eat food to sustain ourselves physically, the images of the past sustain our spirits. Even under these conditions, we don’t lose hope that we will go back, I think that if that dream is lost, we will no longer... our life will no longer have any meaning to it. I don't know if it will happen or not, under these circumstances it will be a bit absurd to say that it definitely will in the very near future, but losing the dream will mean losing the colors of life. But having a dream means taking certain steps to achieve it, directly or indirectly, and taking steps means that you will definitely achieve something. Only if you don't do anything, then you’ll have nothing.

The war is not over yet, and now all my thoughts are with Artsakh, our people living there, and people very close to me. All my blood relatives are here, but my close friends are in Artsakh, and every day I wake up thinking about them, and go to sleep thinking about them. Every day I think about it and I am full of hope that one day we will come to the realization that we need to solve our problems ourselves. The century has turned, and once again, we are facing the threat of genocide... and it will surely happen, knowing the enemy. I am sure, I know, I have seen it, and I know the history very, very well... In 1915 they say that wherever Armenians took up arms to defend themselves, they lived... We have to be strong and... I don't know if everything will be all right, but I certainly hope for the best...

9. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ԻՆՆԵՐՈՐԴ / NINTH ENCOUNTER

Հայերեն սղագրությունը շուտով հասանելի կլինի։

Recorded in August, 2023

Lida Mkrtchyan

Greens should be poured abundantly because they immediately shrivel from heat on the stove. Look, even when I put plenty, they shrink so much when cooked that you might think I haven't put any. Can you feel the thickness of the dough, the layer of greens inside? Give it two minutes on the stove, and it's ready!

The thinner the dough is, the finer the bread will be. After baking, the bread becomes slightly translucent, and you see the layer of greens. That is the most successful zhengyalov bread [a flatbread stuffed with a variety of greens, traditional to Artsakh, Nagorno-Karabakh]. Many people say, ''I am on a diet, I don't eat bread'. What can be a better diet, than a zhengyalov bread? It's mostly greens! It is very interesting to study the greens included in its recipe.* Ghevond Alishan [Armenian linguist, historian, poet, writer 1820-1901] had written that there is twice as much vitamin C in chickweed than in lemon. And that’s just in one type of greens! It’s been three years that I’ve been making zhengyalov bread for sale, and eat it often myself as well, so I've noticed that during these years I have never gotten sick, not even... no cough, no sneeze, no fever, the coronavirus passed me by and I didn't even feel it.

*Greens traditionally included in the recipe: chervil, common sorrel, chickweed, madworth, small bugloss, cilantro, nettle, goatsbeard, sickleweed, papaver leaves, beet greens, lettuce. (Source: ZINEadadar#1 Zhengyalov hats. CSN Lab, Yerevan 2023)
***
The war
[in 2020] started at such a time of the year that everyone's pantries were full of food stored for the winter. Shushi is a city on a high hill, and one may think that nature is harsh there. While the forests around Shushi, and even the sidewalks in the city were full of such variety of greens, and medicinal herbs, each having a great value. People valued them all very much, using each herb with a purpose, gathering those herbs for the winter... Most of the people from Shushi did not buy tea from a store, they made tea with these herbs. I am one of them... Using herbs according to the purpose, according to the taste, according to the disease, we knew which one to use, and when. The forests were full of long, juicy bunches of blackberries. We used to go pick them, it was so rich in juice that we made blackberry wine! What a taste it was, what a color...! The cellars were full of this wine.
***
I should mention that I promised an offering to everyone hiding in the bomb shelter: if both of my boys get back from the front line together for a day or even for a few hours, I would make zhengyalov bread for everyone. Despite the bombings, I would get out and gather all the necessary greens. Even before the war, my friend Karine told me, that her garden is full of greens, and I can go pick as much as I want since she's not interested in them. So one day, almost a month since the start of the war, my boys came on the same day! I thought, that’s it, today is the day… I said, “Hey, I’m going to pick some greens, does anyone want to come with me?” Shushi was already being bombarded… One of the women in the shelter agreed to help me. Quickly, we ran out to the garden of my friend Karine and picked nettle, chickweed, chervil, everything... It was autumn, and the ripe fruits were under the apple and pear trees and there was no one to gather them, the owners had gone down to Stepanakert
[capital of Artsakh, Nagorno-Karabakh], leaving the gates open... Anyway, with Karine on our minds, we quickly threw the greens, apples, pears in the bags and ran back to the shelter. The women gathered around, cleaned the greens, washed them, cut them, made the dough. ''You've done a lot already, this is your initiative, now let us bake that bread," they said. "You can sit down and rest, well maybe just help us a little,” they told me. So, all of us together, we baked fifty pieces of zhengyalov bread. I had ten liters of the blackberry wine stored, which we'd put on the table for everyone. Fifty pieces of bread were baked that day, and not a single person in the shelter was left without one...

One of the memories of those times…
***
You know, life in those basements during the war was very interesting. There was a lot of common pain and worry, but we became a family in a way. People were sharing all they had stored for the winter, bringing greens, and vegetables from their gardens, even people from Berdashen, the villages of Martuni region
[Artsakh] were bringing whatever they had. There was a unique atmosphere, a unique hospitality, and kindness towards one another. None of us were complaining. One by one, people were volunteering to cook for the whole group, preparing whatever possible, whatever we could get our hands on. They were bright individuals who willingly and lovingly did everything. I brought my carpet and spread it on the floor of the basement, to break the dreary atmosphere, we had brought blankets, it was already getting cold. We used to light the stove, prepare meals, and keep warm. We had interesting conversations and followed the news all the time. The most dreadful was seeing the names and surnames of the boys killed on the front line, we were reading them holding our breath. We stayed in that basement for forty days, almost forty days. Until one by one families had to leave Shushi, because they had small children, there were old people…

In the first days, it was crazy: old people, children shouting, crying, kids afraid of every sound. Slowly the families moved to Goris [town in Armenia], Yerevan [capital of Armenia], it made no sense for them to stay in Shushi, just caused unnecessary panic. As for us, we had no intention of leaving, how could I leave? My boys said, "Mom, every time Shushi is bombed, we’re worried about you, leave” and I said, ''How can I leave? What if something happens to you, and I’m not here…'' In the end, they convinced us, it was the last days of October, probably the 28th, or the 29th, don’t remember exactly. My son took me to Tegh village [Armenia], and from there we went to Goris, then to Yerevan.

Following the news, we expected to celebrate Shushi's victory, but it turns out that it was all just a trick, Shushi was handed over, and they [the authorities] were simply lying to us. Had we known, we could have taken at least some of our possessions with us. So many people left all they had there. A lot of people were living on salaries and pensions, many did not have any money stored away. Do they think it’s easy to suddenly become homeless and take care of the whole family?
***
In general, I’m not afraid of any work, there's no such thing for me as a ''man's job'' or a "young person's job.“ That's why I took the initiative and started this business
[making zhengyalov bread]. I have seen my mother bake, my grandmother baked, then after I got married, I also started baking. My husband’s aunt has this thing we call saj. It’s a thick, round cast iron flat pan, on which the zhengyalov bread is made best. So it's not the first time I'm doing it, I'm used to it and I enjoy doing it. We used to bake fifty or eighty zhengyalov breads at once, people were coming together, cutting and mixing the greens in big bowls, and we gathered together with colleagues, neighbors, and friends. Making zhengyalov bread wasn’t a small family ritual, it was a big ceremony, a feast bringing together in-laws, daughters-in-law, grandchildren... big groups. People got together, talked over issues, settled relationships, talked about this and that, made plans... we had some very nice days together during these gatherings.
***
There were all types of people in Shushi in the nineties... courageous patriots, simply rascals, wild women... Then little by little, families were being formed, and very quickly the city flourished, several museums and galleries were opened. Shushi had a cultural life, there was a newspaper, schools: primary school, high school, music school, art school, a state museum, a Stone Museum, a Carpet Museum, a Dram
[currency, coin] Museum. There were galleries, artists' studios, a film festival every year – the Golden Apricot Festival, they came and screened films for several days. Zakar Keshishyan, the head of the Varanda Choir, came from Beirut every summer. He created the Varanda Choir in 1992, and he kept the choir for 30 years... and keeps it to this day. Every summer when Zakar, that kind giant, came, it was like a holiday for us… They gave concerts in different halls and regions! In the summer, people came to Shushi from all over the world, from different countries. One of the most interesting places in Shushi is the Hunot Gorge, popularly called “Umbrellas” because the vegetation, the trees there resemble umbrellas.
***
I went to Shushi and built my nest there: black plaster, thorny floors. My husband was on the battlefield, my children were small, one three and a half years old, the other five, they could not be of any help. Even so, I was able to find materials here and there and make it a home, with my own hands, as much as possible. The thorny floors... I scraped them, I covered the walls with wallpaper, and installed window frames and glass. Then, when the children grew up, and the years rolled by, we also bought two apartments with the savings, for our boys. So that when they get married, they go straight from the wedding hall to their own place, and enjoy life. But I only brought a bunch of keys with me, and a memory of these places. Until recently, it seemed to me that they were in the same condition as I left them, but the Turks bombed the buildings, filmed the bombing, and put the video on the Internet. Unfortunately, the scene of the ruins wiped out the hope of returning to Shushi and finding back my home.
***
We live, and we continue creating... We have another small place now, building it from scratch bit by bit. Every time I add something, I remember the swallow in that poem*... I hope this will become our main home, and that it won’t be destroyed again. And if Shushi is liberated, we will build a new one there...

*Ghazaros Aghayan, “The Swallow”

8. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ՈՒԹԵՐՈՐԴ / EIGHTH ENCOUNTER

Հայերեն սղագրությունը շուտով հասանելի կլինի։

Recorded in August, 2023

As soon as the first news about the escalation appeared (at first we called it an escalation, not war) my editor-in-chief and I immediately came to the office even though it was not a workday. Generally, such escalations were, and still are, quite regular, they happen almost every week without developing into a full-scale war. So although that could have been a similar situation, on that very day we had an inkling that this was something different. Probably it was due to both human instinct and journalistic "gut feeling"... and when we both had that same understanding, I got ready immediately and drove to Artsakh with the photographer. On the evening of the 27th, we were already in Stepanakert [capital of Artsakh, Nagorno-Karabakh]. I can't quite explain yet why we made this decision so quickly, because before that there were escalations in Tavush, then in Jermuk regions [Armenia] in September, when I didn’t go.

We stayed for about a week the first time until we ran out of resources and had to return to Yerevan [capital of Armenia], regroup, and return to Artsakh. The first time we went, we didn't know exactly what to expect, we weren't that well prepared. We didn’t plan our workflow ahead of time, we had only one bulletproof vest for the two of us, and it was pure luck we even found that one. It wasn't until the second or third trip that everything finally fell into place, we both had bulletproof vests and helmets. By then, the reality was very different and there were other, new problems... Overall, during the 44 days of the war, we organized ourselves to work in Artsakh for a week, returning to Armenia for a few days to regroup, and then going back to Artsakh.

Approximately for the first 10 days, it was much easier to spread out of Stepanakert and provide coverage from Martakert, Martuni, Hadrut [Artsakh, Nagorno-Karabakh]. Well, we tried but we couldn't enter Hadrut, but some colleagues of ours were able to go there. We often went to Shushi because it was close [to Stepanakert]. The last time I was in Shushi was maybe five days before the city was handed over [to Azerbaijan]. The reportages varied depending a lot on circumstances and “luck” so to speak... our colleagues could be caught under fire at the same place where we were a day or a few hours before. Sometimes journalists would go to Hadrut, for example, and were allowed to enter the city. Overall it was a bit through "trial and error", as they say, no specific mechanism or system was coordinating our work. Sometimes being in the Info Center we would see that a large group of journalists was going to Martakert, for example, so we would decide to go to Martuni and vice versa. Firstly, because what's the point of having so many journalists in one place, the information will already reach us through them, secondly, so that we don't create additional accumulations of people.
***
Human interaction changes during wars. Sometimes, the officials, as well as civilians, perceive you [a journalist] as a tool to convey a message, but sometimes you are seen as an enemy or a problem. And the more the war escalates, the more you as a journalist are perceived as a problem. This can be due to the position coming from the officials, saying that when the journalists show an area, Azerbaijan analyses the location, and starts bombing it. This official position made the presence of journalists problematic for the civilian population as well. However, sometimes it was quite the opposite when people in a shelter would want their story to be heard, for the world to know that their house had been destroyed. But more often the reaction to the presence of journalists was negative.

Having to constantly think of the attitude you would be met with was quite exhausting and frustrating at times. As a journalist from a local Armenian media, you'd expect a warmer welcome but were feeling alienated quite quickly. At the same time, a foreign journalist, who arrived just for a few days to make a small reportage and leave, is welcomed with open arms. They are given more opportunities to go to the front line. The general perception was that the world wouldn’t listen to us [Armenian journalists], but would listen to someone else [foreign journalists]. I get the logic behind this, but it was not a constructive approach at all. The role of the media in creating the documentation, and the archival materials is very important during armed conflicts. Even when it’s not needed at that very moment, such documents can be useful in five days or five years, when the issue is discussed in the international courts, the human rights courts, the war crimes courts...
***
The first thing I remember when we arrived in Stepanakert on the night of the 27th... The city was in complete darkness, the lights had been turned off so as not to be visible for air-raid attacks. Everyone was in basements, in shelters. This emptiness was perplexing. Another type of mindset, logic, and a kind of survival mode settles in when you live underground, you have been deprived of the right to live above ground. It's on a different level of survival, a different situation, a different state of mind, which is unfamiliar, or rather hard for us to understand... (I hope it will never become something familiar). But we also need to realize that the people of Artsakh, or at least some generations in Stepanakert, already have that experience.

There were children in the shelters during the first weeks, and the situation was very different because the children were playing, screaming, etc. Eating-cooking-playing, children's noise, cleaning up, arranging some things, some conversations... There were some signs of the daily communal life left. During the second half, when the civilian population became more sparse [a lot of people left for Armenia], we would often see people quite exhausted, at two o'clock in the afternoon just lying with their head against the wall, waiting... In general, waiting was the most noticeable state of mind in the second half of the war.
***
Perhaps one of the most difficult visits to Artsakh for me was on November 12 or 11. I was in Armenia on November 9 [when the Russian-brokered ceasefire was signed between Azerbaijan and Armenia], but we went back. This was the time when Karvachar, Dadivank [Armenian medieval monastery complex in Artsakh (9-13 centuries AD)], was being surrendered over to Azerbaijan, and the arrival of Russian peacekeepers was expected. This time we only went to Stepanakert, and it was the most post-apocalyptic state I’ve seen it in, right after signing the November 9 agreement. We couldn't even pay for the hotel room because the doors were open and there was no one there. Upon arrival, we managed to find an employee, and we said that we needed a place to stay. He said, "Please, come in and look around. A lot of people didn’t return the keys, so don't close the door. If you find a semi-clean room where you can stay, you’re welcome.” We found a room... The employee said that the gasoline was enough only for 12 more hours of electricity, so there would be none tomorrow morning. The next day, we tried to pay, to find someone to say that we were leaving the hotel, but there was no one, so we left the key on the table and left.
***
The first time I went back to Artsakh was one year later. I kept thinking that I should go back but wasn’t sure what would I write about upon return. It helped when they just asked me to go to Stepanakert to conduct a small one-day workshop. It took an occasion like this to convince myself to go back, not necessarily for work, to write an article or a news report, just... to go, to see. Sometimes as journalists, we need to understand the importance of being an observer, of being a witness for a long time, versus immediately making a reportage. The treadmill of making a report, or writing an article every day during the war can be a bit non-constructive sometimes. Journalists are only human, and they too need to digest and think about the situation a little before sending out a piece of news.

One video that I made still provokes interest. It was not a journalistic report. I filmed it in a school in Stepanakert after the bombardment. All the windows were broken and glass was scattered all over the floor. The sunlight was playing on the broken glass, and the bits were sparkling, gleaming. I made a short video of walking on the sparkling bits of glass. That video, that play of light, it seems to me, affected quite a few people. More than all the stand-ups I did to present the situation, more than the messages I sent, or my interviews with Artak Beglaryan, the Human Rights Ombudsman, or anything else... but that one small video, lasting a few seconds, in black and white, seems to me to have had a much greater effect on many people than anything else.
***
During the war, one of the times we went to Shushi we were walking around to understand what the situation was. We found, so to speak, a hidden military unit. Before starting to talk, they warned us to turn off the phones, we had wrapped them in foil and left them somewhere else. At that time, we were already working with other cameras, not with a phone camera, although it was more problematic in terms of sending the material later. The guys in the unit said there was a hero among them, and that I should interview him. I started talking to that guy, and it turned out that indeed he got the title of Hero for destroying several tanks. During the interview, he suddenly opened up. He was saying things a little bit naive, or perhaps contradictory, like "You know, when my friends don't see me, I might cry", and I'm thinking at the same time yes, but now the world will see, right, or that "Dad knows that I'm in Shushi, but mama doesn't know, we didn't tell mama", and I think, but mama will see this interview... That interview in that very place, in Shushi, left a big impact on me, and not because we can't go back now... It’s hard to explain… It was as if the otherwise idealized images of a perfect soldier, a patriot, self-sacrificing, sensitive, a perfect person found their embodiment... at least for me during that short experience... Maybe because I didn't expect this… or the softness and the sensitivity with which both the commander and that boy spoke. I feel a little bad, for asking a cynical question to the commander, wondering if the people's hope or belief or those slogans "we will win" really helped them, or if the help they really needed should have been entirely different. He answered that the whole system is like a tree, that all the branches must act, and that "we will win" and "we believe" are really among the most important branches because if there is no belief, there will be no basis for anything else... And they were so preoccupied with their little dog, whom they had brought with them from Hadrut. They kept saying that the dog lost his hearing because there was a bombardment right next to him, and they brought him with them to Shushi.

And that was that... a small episode...

***
One of the first things I remember about the war was on the night of the 27th when we had just arrived in Artsakh, was a long caravan of something... incomprehensible at first, it was moving along the road in darkness, barely visible at a distance. At the checkpoint, I realized that these were cars lined up for kilometers, and people were getting out. The lights of all the cars were turned off, of course. Perhaps this was one of the most controversial things for me. On the one hand, it was the first day, we didn't know how it would develop, so I couldn’t understand why so many people were leaving... getting out, “leaving” is not the correct word perhaps, but if I had written an article that day, I would probably have used the word "leave", which would probably be a mistake. And for those first few days, I was thinking about whether I should include it in a reportage, or not. On the other hand, most of the population saw the first war, and before that - the massacres of Armenians in Sumgait and Baku, and there was no generation that didn't have a death in the family because of armed conflicts. So who am I to judge, and think, "Why are they leaving?" Even if one bomb explodes, naturally, the first thing you think of is to take the children and get out. So such opinions and assessments of the situation can change a lot over time, and sometimes it is necessary to wait before making a reportage immediately.

The press conferences of the President of Artsakh, representatives of the Defense Army, and various officials were held in Artsakh. However, the Info Center as a regulatory body of information flow and transportation of journalists performed its functions rather poorly, I should say. This is one of the issues that we still need to solve today, we need to define the relations between journalism, and the army. Whether this is in Artsakh or Armenia, we should build mutual trust, and establish a mechanism of relationship to avoid the identification of journalists with trouble. The defense structures should understand that journalism is one of the fronts of this war, and try to work with journalists as much as possible, allow journalists to do their job, and not deprive one of the members of the society of their function.
***
At some point, I had to remain in Stepanakert, because the movements of the journalists became more restricted. I even thought of volunteering to bake bread, or make sleeping bags, because there wasn’t much use from me sitting in a shelter in Stepanakert. In the end, after some struggle with the authorities, we managed to get permission to report from the hospital that was taking in the wounded soldiers... Took us quite a while to get that permission, but of course, several foreign reporters were already there, working and reporting right from the operating rooms every day... The first day when my colleague and I arrived, we saw a group of two journalists, who had been there for more than a week. We noticed that the eyes of the girl were full of tears, and I felt an awful lot more empathy for the girl, assuming that she was emotionally affected by what she saw. It turned out that it was allergies, she was not emotional at all. (smiles) I noticed an interesting pattern: in times of war, the further you are from the front line, the easier it is to get emotional. It's easy to get emotional in Yerevan, and one gets even more emotional in the Diaspora, but when you're in Artsakh, actually witnessing the war, being emotional is not one of your first reactions. And sometimes I preferred to be in Artsakh, and not feel that guilt, thinking let whatever happens to Artsakh happen to me as well, than in Yerevan or LA... and get emotional... (laughs)
***
I witnessed how the fear progresses and how it’s overcome in myself and my colleagues, it was a very interesting dynamic. I grew up in Lebanon during the civil war, so the sounds of explosions, or being in a shelter wasn’t an unfamiliar situation for me... but I was angry when I saw that people didn’t cover the window glass with black paper or tape to protect themselves from glass pieces if the explosion breaks the windows, I couldn’t understand why the shelters are not fully ready, or why there isn’t water or food stored there... This sometimes bothered me more, than the sounds of the explosions and the air raid sirens.

Very often someone you worked with for weeks and didn't see any signs of panic or fear could emotionally explode or break down after a relatively small episode. I have seen people who were terrified of the war from the first day but continued staying, I have seen people who came to help but left seeing it wasn't for them, which is much more constructive than continue staying in fear. In other words, it was interesting to see all the shades of fear over time, and reactions to fear, and it was also interesting for me to understand where my own buttons are. It seems to me that my colleague and I had the exact opposite syndrome, we were so used to it that we failed to react to the explosions, and that's not very healthy either, to be honest.
***
One day before the French journalist was injured in Martuni when the group of journalists was directly targeted [by the Azerbaijani military] my colleague and I were in Martuni. So since we saw a group of journalists already going to Martuni, we decided to go see what’s happening in Martakert. There, we managed to go to the city hospital, where they showed us everything, but said that we couldn't take pictures, or do a reportage, and asked us to turn off all our equipment. It was such an unsettling, strange feeling to be in an empty city, where you know people were killed, civilians were targeted, and there is a hospital full of wounded, but you cannot talk about it. Another bombardment started when we were in the hospital, and we went down to the shelter, but again we had no permission to film, do a reportage, or do an interview.

This situation was quite suffocating, and when we finally left Martuni my colleague said, "Let's go to Talish." I wasn’t so sure about this idea, because we had absolutely no news from Talish, we didn't know whether it was under Armenian control or had already been captured by Azerbaijanis. At that time, by chance, a fire truck passed quickly behind us, so we decided to follow it to find and report on what was bombed. Following the fire truck, we drove for about half an hour through the mountains. When we arrived, it turned out that some car just caught fire in a village... No one was bombed, nothing happened, and we’ve chased the fire truck for half an hour to understand what’s happening (laughs). We even filmed it, I don't even know what for... Accidental fires can happen even during the war...
***
Today if the water is off for an hour in Yerevan, I would be annoyed of course. But in Artsakh during the war, this wasn’t something bothering me at all. One of the most incomprehensible things for me was that everything just stopped so abruptly. Most of the shops were closed, or abandoned. We were staying at a hotel and had no opportunity to cook. The Armenia Hotel kitchen was only open for a few hours to serve lunches and dinners, and the only other place where we could eat was a restaurant belonging to a Syrian-Armenian family. They kept it open and gave out free meals every day, feeding mostly journalists, and everyone else in need. Coming from a country that has been in a long war, this seemed illogical to me. In Lebanon, whenever the bombing stopped, people would open their pharmacy for a few hours so that anyone who needed something could come and get it. Life definitely did not stop so immediately, so the most difficult thing for me in Artsakh was exactly that. To tell the truth, I still haven't understood why everything stopped so suddenly. Even the next day, on the 28th, bread was already a problem in Artsakh. Later, the bakeries reopened and started working, but at first, they just stopped. Finding an open pharmacy was a problem the whole time, a lot of shop owners just locked the store and left. In a more resilient society, or a more resistant environment, even the owner of the pharmacy should know, that maybe he should stay and open the pharmacy for a few hours a day, whenever he can, and even the owner of the restaurant should know how he can be helpful. Food was simply rotting in the market of Stepanakert, but there was nothing to eat in the city... When a city is being bombed, you fill bags with sand and place them in front of the windows. I only saw them appearing starting maybe from the third week, it also took weeks until people started taping the window glass to prevent it from scattering around because of explosions. This lack of consolidation or resilience bothered me much more than being deprived of my usual comfort.
***
The war has not stopped for me. Analyzing the events of November 9, the events in Yerevan, and the situation after that, it becomes evident that the aggression has not decreased, it continues till now. In other words, I have never actually left Artsakh. This history has not ended, therefore it is not possible to talk about it retrospectively and describe the days of the 44-day war. Because the aggression is happening now, it’s neither a memory nor the past. And today, Artsakh is still under blockade [reference to the 9 months from December 2022 to September 2024, when Artsakh was kept under blockade by Azerbaijan]. Our abilities have not increased much, we as a society, or me as a person, have not become smarter, nor have we become more experienced. That helplessness that I felt also during the 44-day war to be able to define the key points of my work... And as a society we haven’t defined either what we are doing wrong now, and how we can do things better.

It’s quite clear today that not only Artsakh but also Armenia can be in a war situation. What happens in Stepanakert, can also happen in Yerevan. Of course, I hope it never will, but it can... I don’t think we need more information than that to be able to reform and change as a society. This is more than enough to understand that we need to be a little more organized, we need to be more logical. Each of us should better understand our role in society, so that the whole system, the whole country, or the city is not paralyzed if something happens. What is each of us responsible for at times like this? It seems to me that we need to better understand these aspects, these are the details that can make all the difference under extreme situations.

7. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ՅՈԹԵՐՈՐԴ / SEVENTH ENCOUNTER

Հայերեն սղագրությունը շուտով հասանելի կլինի։

Recorded in August, 2023

Elza Stepanyan

I remember many days of course, but the most striking is the day when the war started. My elder daughter was in Yerevan [capital of Armenia] that day, she had a week off from work. This was a Sunday, I woke up and started doing the usual housework and making dinner, in short, getting ready for my daughter to come back. My younger daughter was at her grandma's, helping. The grandma had been wounded during the first war, had one of her hands cut, she lost her son to that war too, he was awarded a medal. Then suddenly, I hear loud noises, and the whole house starts shaking! I cannot even describe it!

I saw that the neighbors were in panic too. I called out to my neighbor, “What’s this, what’s happening?” “It’s war,” he says. I got out on my balcony… all Hadrut [city in Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh)] was in front of you looking from our balcony… and saw the black smoke spread all over, as far as the eye could see.

Then I remembered that during civil defense lessons, we learned that standing in the doorway is a bit more safe. So I’m standing in the doorway, thinking what would become of all this… I see that the bombings don’t seem to stop, and downstairs neighbors are already saying let’s go to the shelter. So I’m running to the shelter, but start hesitating on the way because the bombings had stopped. I decided to turn back home. Then they [Azerbaijanis] started bombing again, and this time I couldn’t run to the shelter, so I went down to the basement. When they fire with “Grad”, you can hear the hissing sound first before the rocket hits, and this gave me a bit of time to find shelter.

I mentioned that on that day my younger daughter was at her grandma’s. She called and said, “Mom, grandma is injured, we’re taking her to the hospital.” That’s the same grandma who had been injured during the 90s war, and had her arm cut, when “Grad” had exploded in her yard! “Her again!” I said. Such bad luck! My younger daughter is driving, so I told her not to take her car out, because she could be hit by a drone too. But she wouldn’t listen, how could she, when her favourite grandma was being taken to the hospital... She switched off her phone so that I couldn’t call her, and went. I was almost sick with worry for her, thinking she’d been killed, when she finally called and said that the grandma died when they reached the hospital. So that was that...

My elder daughter called, and said, “Mom, why didn’t you tell me the war started? I’ve just heard! I wanted to get back, but the bus driver said, he won’t take women, only men because there’s war.” I told her to stay in Yerevan until the situation becomes more clear. But the bombardment wouldn’t stop, “Grad”, “Alazan”, drones, pouring one after another, like hail... this was a strange war.

***

We organized a quick burial ceremony for the grandma, and then my younger daughter, a little new to driving herself, sat behind the wheel and took us to Yerevan. We thought the war wouldn’t last long, no more than four days [reference to 2016], and didn’t take anything with us, not even documents. I cried all the way to Yerevan... First, we stayed at my girlfriend’s place, then at a hotel, then in Sari Tagh, now in Arajin Masiv [districts in Yerevan]… That miserable day in Hadrut became fatal for us, now we’re homeless, miserable, estranged...

***
This pain, this anguish… I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. We left our ancestral homes, our graves, our memories, our childhoods… All these boys died, our lands are occupied, but even after all this all I can think of is that Karabakh is under such devastating conditions now, that they are starving... my sister is there now with her family. [Starting December 2022 till the armed attack on September 19, 2023, Artsakh was blockaded by the Government of Azerbaijan.]

***

We came to Yerevan thinking we’d get back to Hadrut soon and didn’t take much with us. On the way, I was always checking my phone, waiting for the call to go back. I was crying, but silently, didn’t want the kids to see. I mentioned that at first, we stayed at my friend’s house. There wasn’t enough place there, so my elder daughter stayed with us, but my younger daughter had to stay the nights at another friend’s place, and then come join us during daytime.

One day she said, “Mom, there are a lot of people ready to host people from Karabakh, who lost their homes. Let’s go find a place, and stay all together.” First I said no, how were we going to stay at a stranger's place? Then I thought, ok, sometimes adults should listen to young people. My daughter found the address of an office, where they told us that there’s a family in Yeghvard [district in Yerevan] ready to host us. I’d never been in Yeghvard, so I was cautious at first, but my daughter kept nudging me, “Say yes, say yes,” she really wanted us to stay all together. The guy working in the office also assured us that it’s a very kind, safe family. And thank God we’ve met them, now they are our closest friends!

***
Before all this, my younger daughter had experience driving from Hadrut to Stepanakert [capital of Artsakh], but it was her first long driving experience. At first, I suggested leaving the car in Hadrut and coming by bus, but she said, “I’ll either drive or stay in Hadrut!” Naturally, I wouldn’t leave her in Hadrut… Recently she said, “You see, at least we have the car, I was right to take it.” That’s our only property now...

I just hope something changes and the road gets unblocked, for the sake of the people in Stepanakert, of people in Karabakh.

***
My colleagues in Hadrut were wonderful people, we read each others’ minds, understood each other without even having to talk, and laughed over the same things. Those were the days, now everything tastes different, smells different.

The other day my daughter says, here we just go to work and get back home, we never go anywhere. But where should we go? No aunts to visit, no relatives, no one to share your thoughts, your joy with... and there’s so much work all day long, you don’t even have any time left for it. Nothing’s left from our past lives.

What can I say… I refuse to give up, refuse to feel discouraged. On the contrary, we need to be even stronger now. Sometimes I get frustrated with all this daily work and stress, but then I say to myself, if I give up, what example would I give to my daughters? I always motivate and push them forward, since they were kids they were participating in writing competitions, going to basketball trainings, all the activities at school… If I see them discouraged, I tell them, “Why are you stressed? You only have one job, I work two jobs! When I was your age, I was full of energy! Don’t give up, move forward, it’s all gonna be all right!” And that’s that...

6. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ՎԵՑԵՐՈՐԴ / SIXTH ENCOUNTER

Հայերեն սղագրությունը շուտով հասանելի կլինի։

Recorded in July, 2023

Silva Khnkanosyan

One of my close friends who was in the army at that time, used to call me in the evenings, around eleven. One day he calls me at five o'clock in the morning. Well, I was sleepy and didn't pick up, didn't realize something might have happened, if he had been calling at that hour.

I finally woke up around nine or ten... back then my mother, my brother, his wife and child, and myself, we were all living together... so, I wake up, there is a lot of noise in the house, mom starts talking to me angrily, almost shouting, ''You're still asleep, did you see what's happening?'' Then I hear the TV: loudly, on repeat, transmitting that there’s been an attack from all sides at once. The same text, repeated over and over, as if it were an advertisement. I still couldn’t make sense of what was happening, the chaos lasted for about two or three hours until I finally ''digested'' the news. I realized that mom started shouting at me, just because she was feeling very distressed, and had to let it out...

Then, well, I had to go to work. I was working at a bar at that time. My colleagues came too, but we didn’t open the bar, we couldn’t... We just sat there, frozen, all of us scrolling through the news on our phones. Everyone expected that this would end soon, maximum in four days. At my conscious age, I have only seen seen the so-called Four-Day War in 2016, that's probably why I and others of my age thought it wouldn’t last for more than four days.

On October 2nd I realized that this wasn’t going to end fast. My producer called me, and I told him I wanted to go to Artsakh and make a film. He told me he thought of it too, but was hesitant to ask me directly. You need a lot of things to make a film, money, equipment, etc, I couldn’t find it all by myself, without the help from my producer... It was very hard to find equipment, as soon as they heard I was going to Artsakh to film, no one wanted to rent out anything. They were afraid they wouldn’t get it back... it’s like... everything becomes more real... it's a war, but you still don't believe it, don't feel it, or don't fully comprehend it...

And so I went, I went to film.

I didn't want to go alone, I definitely wanted to take a cameraman with me, because I was afraid, and because my mom was worried. She said, ''Please, at least don't go alone...'' Well, she realized that it was impossible to tell me, "Don't go, period." Someone recommended a cameraman, whom I didn't know before that, and a driver, whom I didn't know either.

We left at five in the morning. My family were all looking at me extremely worried as if I was going to war, no matter how much I explained that I would be in Stepanakert [capital of Artsakh], there is a good media center there, a lot of support, the news outlets are coming in and out. But actually, I myself wasn’t quite understanding where I was going either. It seemed to me that Stepanakert would be the same way as, for example, Yerevan [capital of Armenia].

So I left at five in the morning, it was dark, the cameraman and the driver came to pick me up by car. Before that, we hadn’t even been properly introduced. On the way, we stopped somewhere to get coffee and properly said “hello” to each other face to face. All three of us were a bit scared, we didn't know where we were going. Later It turned out that the driver, for example, never served in the army. So he got quite scared during the filming, which didn’t help, so to speak... The cameraman also got scared, and actually I was scared too. Just because of this fear we ran away back to Yerevan a few times, then drove back. We were running away, that’s what it was, I want to be honest. That's when I realized how strong one has to be to stay there during the war, not to mention fight. However, later I realized that it’s the adrenaline suppressing fear, nothing else...
***
I had decided that I would film the basements [bomb shelters], and make a film about how people live in the basements during the war. I decided not to film anything else, so as not to accidentally deviate from the topic, but there was a lot, a lot more to film, a lot more...

When we arrived, we entered the first basement we came across. The walls were painted white. People in the shelter told me that after the war in the nineties when everything was over, they had painted the walls white just in case... because it was too depressing to hide there. For the first time, I fully realized how close Artsakh is to Armenia, it took me only a few hours to get to a reality where the walls of the basements were painted white, where there was a wood stove ready in case the electricity goes out, mattresses... everyone knew which room is theirs. And the first thing I thought was how stupid we people living in Yerevan are for the most part, we don't understand how dangerous it is in Armenia, and we need to be more careful, and more prepared...

This was probably my first full realization of war. I was talking about it with elder people there, and they all said that this was just the first time I see war, that’s why I feel like this. It felt the same for them in the 90s.

Most of the people in the basements were women, although there were some men too. Almost immediately, I was taken by the dominant mood there that the war is not going to last long, just a bit more and we’ll win, this will be the last one. The cameraman was filming, I was simply talking to people. I wasn’t taking formal interviews, just roaming from one room to another, and socializing. People told me at nine in the evening they tell a bedtime story to kids, we agreed to go back at nine o'clock to film it.

At eight in the evening, they [Azerbaijanis] started bombing the city heavily again, that was the first night we got there. I’ve never heard such a loud sound before. Never imagined it would be so loud. That probably was the first time I got scared, understanding where I really am. The mood in the basement was changing during the bombardments too... It wasn't panic, but maybe fear? People were suddenly silent, everyone was waiting quietly, listening to where the bomb explodes, trying to figure out what's happening. And when the bombings were over, everyone was taking a deep breath, people would go on Facebook to read the news, drink some coffee, do something else... And after each bombing you thought, that’s the last one...
It's a bit difficult to describe in more detail what I felt...
***
Regarding my film... I decided not to include tears and war scenes, there isn’t a single explosion in the film. There aren’t any crying people in the film, but I've seen that a lot. Most of the time, I didn’t film them. I know it doesn’t correspond to any professional standards, I know I should have filmed, but I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. I don’t have enough experience, and perhaps I’m not that professional. I gained a lot of experience while I was there, and I guess now I would’ve filmed it differently. Not necessarily the war... but that too. I would be lying if I said I wouldn’t want to film war anymore. Of course, I wouldn’t want it to be our war, and of course, I wish the war wouldn’t have been so painful, but even realizing how traumatic it would be for me, I would want to film war again. You go there and realize you might die... how?! This feeling is only overcome by the level of adrenaline you get there. You get addicted to that feeling in some strange way and want to feel it all the time. Later, the usual everyday way of life seems boring to you... Perhaps “boring” is not the correct word, but I think you understand what I’m saying. I don’t focus on that in the film, because I certainly didn’t want to make a war propaganda film (laughs)...
***
I've been there [in Artsakh] pretty much the whole time, going back and forth, twice with the cameraman, the rest on my own. I went back and forth very often because I had to always change equipment, I could only find equipment for a few days, then I had to take it back, and rent again. There was no other way...
***
People were sleeping in the basements, sometimes they went up to the house during the daytime to do dishes, laundry, or quickly take a shower. The truck distributing food and water was doing rounds every day, and very often the workers delivering the food agreed to take me with them to film. People already knew the truck’s hours and were getting out to get food. Depending on how heavy the bombing was, sometimes the food was delivered into the basements.

In the basements, everyone was cooking, eating, there were children at first, so the grown-ups were also busy taking care of the kids. Most of them sent the children away [to Armenia] early on though. The women stayed, then over time the older men sent women away too. So during the last month, there were only elderly men in the basements, and all day long they were listening to the news on the radio. The absence of women was especially evident when you looked at the tables, when women were there, there was always coffee, sweets, tea, fruits. After the women left, I saw mainly some cheese, vegetables, and some vodka on the tables.
***
I was surprised, but I should say that a lot of things were very well coordinated for me as a film director, and for the journalists that were there. The Artsakh Info Center was regulating everything. Once they asked me, “Would you like to go film in Shushi?” So I went quickly in a small car, but we couldn't stay long because it was very dangerous…

Then there was the State Service of Emergency Situations, coordinating the food delivery on trucks to the people in the basements. The trucks had a clear schedule, making sure everyone had food and water.

Once, when it was already very dangerous to be out in the city unaccompanied by the Emergency Service workers, I asked if they could go around with me and the cameraman in the evening to film. So the workers took us to see, as they said, a very famous man in Stepanakert, respected and feared by absolutely everyone in the city. He was either a school teacher or a University professor, I forgot which one.

So we went and met a very energetic man around seventy-five years old. He welcomed us right away and invited us to eat with them, they were making green beans with eggs. They were delicious, we hadn’t had homemade food in ages! He took out some homemade vodka, we were eating and drinking, our host would have been offended had we refused... I was talking, the cameraman was filming. Sometime later, the Emergency Situation workers started saying, “Ok we have to get back, it’s getting dangerous, and the bombings will intensify soon…” But our host kept saying, “No stay a bit more, what’s the hurry?!” So I said, “No, we have to listen to what Emergency Service workers are saying,” finally our host was convinced and we started moving. We were about to get out of the basement into the car, when he said, “Wait, you should take some of my homemade wine with you.” We started saying no, but he said, “No is not an answer, I made that wine, you have to take some with you!” And the wine is in a garage in front of the entrance to the basement... At that moment, we hear the sound of the military drone, so we decide to wait. We’re all a bit drunk, and making jokes. Our host convinces the Emergency Service worker to go get the wine from the garage. So the worker brings the wine: a big canister. And we all drank from the same cup while waiting for the drone to pass... It was a young wine, a bit sweet.

When we finally got to the Info Center, it turned out that Stepanakert had been hit several times, and we didn’t hear it because the basement we were in was a little further from the bombs. That was also the day when some officials came to Stepanakert from Germany, I think, to assess the situation... So we finally got to the Info Center – me, the cameraman, and two employees of the Emergency Service․ We were really tired, and drunk, and decided to get some sleep to be ready for the filming the day after. At that moment, one of our colleagues approached us, and asked to sit in the main room, because we had officials from Germany visiting, and there will be a press conference. So there we are, waiting... the overall mood was ok because there was comparatively less bombing on that day. Plus we were a bit drunk…

The four German officials enter the room, in neat shirts... and completely pale. They look astonished, not knowing what to say. I think the smell of alcohol was unmistakable too. They needed a war report, a situation report, and we had some experienced journalists to help these officials. Although at that point we all felt so fed up, annoyed, broken, and tired... tired of reporting on how dire and horrible the situation is, tired of reading the names of the people killed, afraid to find a familiar name... just angry… we needed a real change which wasn’t coming.
***
Another day I remember well was later when we were already in an extremely bad situation. That day some officials from Vienna came, and we had to wear masks in the Info Center because it was COVID. Imagine, a cameraman who just got back from the front line to empty the SD card is handed a mask and a hand sanitizer. Imagine the absurdity… (laughs)
***
Yet another absurd thing happened when were out filming. My tiny crew at that time was the cameraman, the volunteer from Stepanakert who knew the city well, and the driver. The air raid sirens turned on while we were still in the car driving, so we started searching for a cover. The volunteer guy leans forward, and shouts the instructions to the driver, “Turn right here, now left, now right, now right...” The driver turns and says, “But this is a one-way street…!” The volunteer was like, “No way, really?” (laughs) And the sirens were blaring…

There are a lot of things I blocked out emotionally, and don’t want to speak about it, and I think many people who were there feel that way.
***
After seeing each other every day, we got to know one another very well. We established some kind of routine, took turns to prepare coffee for everyone, for example... We had only one inflatable mattress, the rest of us were sleeping on thin carpets and sleeping bags. I was trying to convince the person to give me the mattress for one day. One day we made a bet, and the winner would get the mattress. I won... The war stopped the very next day…

He never gave me the mattress...

I stayed and filmed until the very last day, I don’t remember the date… when we all had to leave before midnight.
***
Every time you hear an explosion you get scared the same. Well maybe not completely... I remember the first time very well. We just got there, we were staying in a house. At night the balcony suddenly got completely lit, and at first, I thought that it was our driver again, because the whole day he was doing everything the wrong way... and we were told that we shouldn’t switch the lights on after dark. So I thought the driver switched the balcony light on. During that millisecond when I wanted to tell the driver to turn the lights off, we heard the sound... I looked up, and saw burning pieces in the sky… I stood frozen, then heard the cameraman shouting my name. The bomb didn’t reach the ground, it got hit. That first time was the scariest... also we were quite close for a bomb that big, only about three hundred meters away. After, you just wanted to never hear that sound again, every time there was an air-raid alarm, you started panicking. Eventually though you adapt. In my film, one of the women in the basement says that a human being can adapt to anything really…
***
Only once, there were no bombings, no siren two days in a row. Stepanakert wasn’t being bombed, but we heard explosions coming from nearby places. On the second day, after one day of life without sirens, a rumor spread that there is shawarma for everyone in the market. So we all ran to the market. But the four of us: me, my cameraman, and two journalists, were late, there was no more shawarma left by the time we got there. There was a kind woman who told us, “Ok, since you’re already here, let me give you some soup.” Soup…! It’s been such a very long time since we last had soup... which was meat broth, and meat, there wasn’t anything else in it. So for the first time in ten-eleven years, I ate meat. I wrote a text message to my mom, “Mom, I’m eating meat…”

Only two days without sirens, and people wanted to start living again.
***
After the war, I remember people taking the church-bell down, to take it to Armenia with them. I remember the bell ringing in the air, two people carrying it… a very inexplicably cinematic image. And of course, I can’t forget when some people were burning their houses down…

The road out of Artsakh was blocked with cars, many cars full of people forced to leave. There was a huge traffic jam formed all along the road, there were burning houses on the side, smoke, the sound of fire, more fire somewhere far… and you're sitting in that car, waiting to leave. It was as if someone killed you till the very end, you felt empty and sad. Like you were a child unfairly treated. I don't know, so many emotions. And you felt so miserable...
***
Another episode that is still stuck in my brain... when we were coming back and forth dealing with our equipment rentals, we had to pass a security checkpoint. There was some kind of an issue with some man at the checkpoint, so we were all waiting… He was shouting at security soldiers, and took almost all his clothes off. The security person calmly, very quietly was dealing with the situation, speaking to that man, explaining him something. I remember I was quite annoyed, but the soldier standing next to me told me that we all should be patient, this is war, and you never know what the person had seen just before. He might be in shock. This was unexpected for me, I have never seen such a level of calmness and patience coming from a policeman.
***
And the nights were so beautiful... the lights of the city were off, so that the drones would not find us, and the sky was so full of stars, it was so beautiful... We were out every once in a while to look at the sky, just for a minute... But the sky, well... it was the most scary place of all.

5. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ՀԻՆԳԵՐՈՐԴ / FIFTH ENCOUNTER

Հայերեն սղագրությունը շուտով հասանելի կլինի։

Recorded in July 2023

The thing is that people who were going through hard times kept silent. What you saw on Facebook etc, was written by people who were not petrified by that pain, that horror, that terrible sense of guilt in front of all the people of Karabakh and those boys who were on the frontlines. Many people just couldn’t write, or talk on social media, or do anything except try to do something useful for the people on the front, and the affected civilians.
***
One day before the war started, in the evening, we were at a literary reading event in "Ilik"
[a popular art cafe in Yerevan]. Everyone was laughing, but there was already a feeling of war in the air. I remember that day I went to the Vernissage [a popular art and flea market in Yerevan] and bought a blue military jacket, with emblems and all. I couldn’t understand, why did I buy it, I didn't need it. So I was sitting in that blue jacket in “Ilik” and started feeling uneasy and anxious the whole evening, people’s laughter was bothering me… can you imagine, me! Then at night, I learned from social networks that the war started. My first reaction was: what can I do to help? At that time we were working on environmental actions in the "Hodvats 3" club. We quickly restructured our garbage collection and all other actions towards helping the Armenians [who fled the war] from Artsakh. And so started the daily, twenty-four-hour work that we were doing. Every second we weren’t asleep, we had to do something to help those people. Most of the time we weren’t listening to the news. We organized a collection and sorting of clothes and shoes, we made packages of different sizes, which were sent to the refugees from Artsakh. And we did it all with a smile, there were no tears or fear on anyone's face. We weren’t watching the horrific videos from the war, we tried to keep our sanity through the work we were doing. The hotline was registering the needs [of the refugees], and we provided clothes and all the necessary things to people who lost everything they had. We all worked twelve or more hours daily, and sometimes in the evenings on the way back home I would fall asleep standing on the bus, so tired I was. Then sometimes I would go out and see some people laughing in cafes, speaking different dialects, I would think “No, how could this be true?” I said nothing though... maybe people were releasing their stress in that way, and it wasn't even very important anymore. The important thing was that you felt at that moment that you were doing something to help... Using black humor, and volunteer work... were such a salvation.

Then the number of refugees started to decrease closer to the end of the war. We didn’t believe until the last day that it would end with such results, we kept believing and working. Anyway, the number of refugees was decreasing and I saw that I had free time. Someone wrote me on Facebook, that volunteers were needed to weave nets. We were strangers until then, but became close friends after. We named our small net weaving group SU-33, because we were receiving pieces of triangular cloth, that looked like a SU-33 warplane, and we had to weave the nets from those small triangles. And that's how we became "Suchki" [the bitches – joke based on wordplay on SU-33 and the Russian swear word “suka”] (laughs)... They were all great people, and we’re all still friends. We still give each other gifts, pillows with this SU-33 on them...

After the war, many of them started new initiatives. One started a learning initiative that helped wounded soldiers with education and work, another one started organizing charity concerts and gathering talented singers. They're all very interesting people, but we all sat there as equals and did the work.
***
When we heard about the end of the war, I was in "Hodvats 3" at that time and... to be honest, I didn’t feel horror or anything. I froze at first, then realized, finally, it’s over! Because every day Armenia was losing more than a hundred people, heroes, the war was taking the best people away...
***
You know, I’m always suspicious of all those ''heroes'' who talk too much, real heroes fight, die, sacrifice, come back, and continue working hard without making any loud statements.

Right after the war, there was a wine festival in Armenia. I noticed a small booth there, some guys were selling small things, badges, with an interesting design. So I approached and started asking who they were. “Have you heard of those seven soldiers who got lost in the forest, then went back through Martakert? One’s foot was frozen, and had to be amputated.” Then he lifted his shoe… it was him, that soldier. When they came back, they created their own design studio from scratch. Everything was for sale at the wine festival, but they were giving out the badges with the design they created without a penny, with a smile. None of them was beating his chest, or slamming the table with the wooden foot. They are the real heroes, humble, smiling, without hysteria...

There were many heroes among our volunteers too... There was a woman who couldn’t come prepare the boxes with us, she had children, a family to take care of… Winter was coming, it was getting cold, so she was buying wool with her own money, and knitting winter hats, and we were able to give out winter hats with each box of warm clothes. She was also able to clean and mend a huge amount of winter coats and jackets, that would’ve otherwise been thrown out into the garbage. Imagine how many people had warm clothes that winter only thanks to Kara, how many children had something warm to wear to school. She never writes or talks about it, and when I tell people about her, she always feels shy and uncomfortable. There’s nothing to be shy about! You should tell everyone about good things, and let everyone know, and let everyone get ''infected'', and let others who watch or hear about it, let them say, "Oh, there was a program about her on the radio, there was an experimental film about her!'' Let everyone know about such people! Many people do something just for the sake of their ego, and that’s good too! Did you come for your ego? No problem! We'll talk about you, just do the job, because it needs to be done, you know.
***
We are a very small nation, small like a family. We should learn to appreciate ourselves a little more, instead of saying, ''These Armenians are like this, those Armenians are like that''... We are clean, bright, humorous, and warm, we help each other, and reach out to each other. But the media just talks about mean and dishonest people. Remember, in ''Carlson'' [an animation film] they say, ''The TV just shows liars now''... But why, when there are so many good people around! I want everyone to know about my neighbor Gulnar because Gulnar is the backbone of our neighborhood, you understand? I want everyone to know, that she built the ''pulpulak'' [a street water fountain] in our yard, and not the municipality.

If you start thinking about horrors today, you're poisoning your present, sister, you're poisoning your day with dark images of the future. Instead, imagine that tomorrow will be, I don't know, your happiest day and you will be happy today too, won’t you? Isn’t it all in your head? And if you wake up tomorrow morning with a smile on your face, and look out the window, someone will see you smiling and will smile back. That makes two smiles, make a couple of jokes, and the person passing by will also smile: that’s three smiles! Then you'll start laughing, and the rest will laugh too, and there will be a crowd that laughs and is happy. Even if just for five minutes, that’s a start... But if someone passes by your window and you swear at them, you’ll get a swear in return and then you’ll find your window broken, and say, “Oh, we Armenians are so aggressive...” No, no, “we Armenians” are fine, we’re quite extraordinary, just pick up and read Tumanyan's "Mirror" Smile at the mirror, it will smile back at you. Our future is a mirror, that's it!

Well... I feel so wise now, I don’t even know what to do with all this wisdom… (laughs)

4. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ՉՈՐՐՈՐԴ / FOURTH ENCOUNTER

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Recorded in July, 2023

Togh village [Artsakh] was one of my favorite places, I worked there for 13 years. Taught two generations of students, qanun players, who continued their education, and now study at the Conservatory in Yerevan.

I received an invitation to work in the regional center and moved to Hadrut [Artsakh]. I worked with great enthusiasm, and even organized international drawing symposia. I was trying to make Tyak village [Artsakh] attractive for tourists, I had so many plans... But because of the 2020 war, they all remained incomplete. I was only able to save my three children from bombing, nothing else... we ran to the village, then, after my husband got wounded, to Yerevan [capital of Armenia], where we are until today.

My girlfriends and I got involved in various volunteer work together. We collected everyone's data [people displaced by war] in the operational headquarters, and we tried in every way to be useful to the [Hadrut] region. At one point we got too involved, we got carried away... We believed that Hadrut will be de-occupied. But, all of that was just a wish. We realized that everything is not so easy, we won't change anything by shouting, "Deoccupy Hadrut!" We realized that the best way to be useful to our homeland at that moment would be to open a cultural center and create a community for the forcibly displaced people.

So together with my two girlfriends, we founded a cultural center, organizing various meetings, and discussions. Most importantly, our goal was to preserve our dialect. The Hadrut dialect is very different from the Artsakh dialect, and losing it would be a great pain for us. After a few months, we also decided to engage in cultural education. Although at first we had recruited more than 100 students, in the end, only 70 of them remained. With those 70 students, we started doing many different programs, participating in competitions, and staged three plays. The children performed all three performances in the Hadrut dialect for their compatriots from Yerevan.
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When I'm at work, I miss my workplace in Artsakh, my lifestyle there. When I am at home, I want the warmth of my home in Artsakh. It's not so easy when you understand that all of that is impossible to return, at least at the moment I can't say that it will happen... But when you stop and think you're going to go back and not touch your past... because you see on social networks, how Azerbaijanis entered your house, took out all your memories, pictures of your children, all your experiences, and threw them away as garbage, making your house a barrack for a military unit. It was painful when I saw how they threw my past away, as a litter. Now we are people without a past, with a vague future, and an incomprehensible present. We don't know where we are going, why we are going, what we are doing.
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I remember the past with a lot of nostalgia. Now I miss it even more when I know that I might never see Hadrut anymore. I haven't seen my mother for more than 7 months, my mother is in Artsakh. The last time I visited my father's grave was last August. This August is the day of my father's death, but alas, I can't go [the interview was recorded during the Artsakh blockade].
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We laugh, it might seem that we are very happy. In front of children, we cannot show how sad we are, we don't want them to see all this... although they do understand it very well. Once in a while, they ask, "Mom, are you crying?" I laugh and say that I don't, but they can feel that we are secretly crying, me, grandma... We have made our lives a little too theatrical sometimes, but what could we do, we don't want the children to grow up morally broken.
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I have seen 3 wars. I was 6-7 years old during the first one [1992-94]. In 2016 during the second war, I was already a mother of two children. In 2020, a mother of three children. My son, who is 11 years old, remembers 2 wars: he was 5 years old, and 8. My daughter doesn't remember, she only remembers the war of the last 20 years, and she constantly misses her "princess bed", as she calls it. She cried every night for more than a year. I took her to different psychologists... But every night she was crying and asking for her princess bed. We got her the same type of bed, but she still misses her old one.

Children react differently. Today I was talking to my mother, and my son heard my mother's voice, and said, "Mom, please don't be on a loudspeaker, I start shivering every time I hear grandma's voice." It's a bit... you have to live with it to understand. A psychologist told me, I'm on the right path, in cases when people feel hopeless, they either commit suicide or engage in arts. Now we try to get involved in art and culture, in every possible way. I don't remember the last time I watched a movie, listened to classical music, or read a book in the past two and a half years. I try to go back to my previous life, but it doesn't work. I want to read a book, I really want to, but I can't concentrate.
***
I don't know, it's difficult. Now it is even more difficult when your pain is not only that of a displaced person, but you worry that your compatriots [in Artsakh] are hungry today, that 30 thousand children really want to have chocolate [because of the blockade]. I don't know, life has become very difficult. I always tell my parents, that they lived a happier life than us, at least they had a childhood, we didn't. We didn't have a childhood or a normal adolescence, and our young years were brutal because we lost our friends, our classmates, our neighbors. I have many friends and relatives who died in this war. My classmate, who sat beside me for ten years, died, but I found out too late. After the war it was very difficult to even greet each other, we didn't know if there was a war victim in the family, and we were afraid to ask. I have an actor friend in Martakert [Artsakh], he called and asked, ''Are all the members of the family alive?'' I said yes... he said, "Thank God", then we started talking.

It was hard to meet each other, talk, we didn't know how to behave, what to ask, you don't know how many victims the family had... at the beginning it was very difficult. We kept hearing that this one was killed, the other was killed, and we didn't know what to do, we were all going crazy.

It's difficult... it is difficult, but there is hope that one day we will have a complete homeland.
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We tried to organize every event at a high level. Cultural life was active there. Sports, culture... Hadrut residents have always been different. My husband is from Handrut, I was not born there, and people in Hadrut were very aristocratic in my point of view. They were people with character, and sometimes they were quite difficult. They wouldn't accept a newcomer easily until you passed that "trial period", they wouldn't accept you as one of them. They had certain character... very difficult, but also very interesting people.

Wasn't quite the same in Togh village. When we were young teachers there, every day someone wanted to invite us to their house. One of the guys I studied with in Stepanakert [the capital of Artsakh] started working in Togh with us. Every time he saw us greeting someone, he joked, "Have you been a guest in their house too?" I was very attached to Togh, then I became very attached to Tyak village. It was built in the 18th century and is recognized as a cultural landmark. Whenever I got upset, I used to go to Tyak village, which was very close to Hadrut. Each time people saw me happy, they said, "Were you in Tyak again?" I felt very good there as if I were in the 18th century, that's how I imagined myself when I walked those streets. It was a very interesting village. And today, Azerbaijanis constantly post videos on social networks, and, as if to spite me, precisely from those places that I loved most. I feel bad because they are abusing, and mistreating our culture on our land, it's a bit... I don't know... maybe I'm looking at it differently, but...

Here [in Yerevan], I founded a musical ensemble of folk instruments, for displaced youth from Artsakh. I often joke, and I say, "Children, you need to practice, soon we will give a concert in Hadrut's square.'' When we are choosing a new song, they ask me, ''Are we going to play this one in Hadrut too?'' It's impossible without jokes, we Armenians like to make jokes about our pain, maybe it somehow makes things easier...
***
I was a kid during the first war, 6-7 years old. At that time, my father sent us to Jermuk [Armenia] for several months. When I went back to our village from Jermuk, [my father] said I went on my knees and started kissing the soil under the mulberry tree, I missed it so much. I miss it the same way now... If the road opens even for one hour, I’ll go... This longing... it's inexplicable. Definitely... and I think there will be many people like me...
***
I wrapped my three children in three blankets and went out. I didn't take my passport, gold, nothing else from my house... We left in nightgowns, the entire region of Hadrut had to run without taking anything, in slippers. We didn’t have time, because the enemy started bombing the entire region at once. We had civilian casualties in those morning hours, some people’s houses were bombed... it was hard... But material things are nothing, believe me. Humans can create anything. The most valuable thing we've lost is the lives of those young boys. I don't know, it's very difficult... You know, I realized something when I went to Yerablur [military cemetery in Armenia]. I go and stand beside the graves of boys I know, and talk to them as if they were alive. I try to go see everyone. It's hard...
***
You know, let me tell you something interesting that we remember a lot today. There was a tradition of some sort in Artsakh, especially in the rural communities... not so much in Stepanakert, because they don't have tandoor bread there, only regular bakery bread… So just to give you an idea of the warmth of human relationships there… In the village, the neighbors used to borrow bread from each other, we called it "pokhav hats" [bread for exchange]. Your neighbor could come and say, ''Can you give me two loaves for supper? My tandoor is burning already, and I will soon have bread to give back to you.'' In Artsakh, we always baked bread for the whole week, so the best part was when you gave your week-old bread and got a freshly baked one in return. There were many, many other interesting things.

Each region has its dialect. For example, to say 'gnum em'' [I'm going], the people in Stepanakert say "qinam", the people of Martuni say "qyunum um", and the people of Hadrut say "qis um". Or "khmum em'' [I drink] in Hadrut they say "khmes um". That "s" is added to every verb, qis um, kyas um, khmes um, uzis um... It's an interesting dialect and the people from Hadrut kept it alive. They went to Stepanakert to get a University education, but they never changed their dialect, so it's clearly distinct. Even now, the Hadrut dialect is spoken in the families. The children still speak it. We must save that generation at least... if we can save at least a couple of generations, then it will be easier. Then... we will have that complete homeland. I think it takes some time, this can't continue, all this is artificial...

3. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ԵՐՐՈՐԴ / THIRD ENCOUNTER

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Recorded in August, 2021

Well, when the war started on the 27th, we were all home. My younger son had gone to the forest. I was taking the garbage out when I saw a bomb in the sky... I thought at first these are fireworks, "Who’s doing fireworks in the morning?" I thought... "But it’s black, so it’s not fireworks!" Then more and more bombs appeared, then I saw planes coming and coming... around 50 planes the very first day, the Bayraktars...

I ran home, my daughters-in-law were sleeping... there are twelve of us in the family. I yelled, “Run to the basement, the war started!” At that moment, I saw my son returning from the forest. I asked, "Dear, why did you come back?" he said, "Mom, the war started", I said, "How could you know that the forest?" "Well the bomb can be seen from everywhere," he said.

Quickly, I packed something to eat for him, there was some leftover zhengyalov hats [a vegan flatbread stuffed with a variety of greens], we had a family gathering the day before, and he went to war. My other son... I forgot where he was at that moment, came and said, "Mama, we are all called to get our uniforms, the war has started"

Myself, my husband, two daughters-in-law, and six grandchildren stayed home. The bombs were pouring, and pouring, and pouring, from the sky... what can I say... we were hiding in the basement, my grandchildren cried so much...

For a week, we all stayed in the village. Then I saw that there are no children left in the village... what is happening... I said, “Husband, do you know that there is no one in the village, no children, no women... only elderly men left, and young men are at war?” He says, "What should I do?" I say, "Call our sons and see what they say... we have to send the children away to Yerevan." So my husband brought my grandchildren and daughters-in-law to Yerevan [the capital of Armenia], but I stayed back. My boys kept saying, "Leave mom, go", but I said, "I can't leave you here... my two sons, my husband... I can't." "Mom, they are coming and killing everyone," I said "No, I can’t leave." I stayed until October 24. On October 24, they pushed me into the car, saying "Mom leave... whether you're here or not, if it’s our fate to die, we will, if not – we won’t."

Well, my husband sent me and my neighbor to Yerevan, we were the last women left in the village... While I was still in the village I was feeding everyone who came to the village to have some rest... they all came to our house, there was no one else, I gave them something to eat, to drink...

Then I came to Yerevan, and after a couple of days, I heard that my husband’s brother died. Fifty-five years old. Well, we couldn’t go bring his body, and they could not even find him at first... They found him on November 4, we buried him in Yerablur [a military cemetery in Armenia].
***
There isn't one family in our village that hasn't lost a relative, a grandchild, a child, a husband... We've seen three wars, but this war… there was no war like this even in Hitler's time, I am one hundred percent sure, this one was very different... They were hitting us with bombs, with planes...

Thank God, the war is over, even though we had so many victims. We left four houses here: my house, my two sons' houses, my daughter's house, now we are homeless. At least my children are alive, I’m so happy they are. Thank God. My two sons and my grandson are now in the army, on the border... I'm worried about them now...
***
They destroyed my mother's grave... My elder son went to the village recently, he was trying to bring the body of one of the boys. The body was left there for a long time, so my son tried to ask Russians to help him bring the body, to bury him… They finally buried him in the Askeran region... So my son said, “Mama, they destroyed all our graves."
***
Our house is not destroyed, the Azerbaijani military men live in it... they show my yard in their videos [online], only outside, not the inside... they show other people’s houses too on the phone… on Facebook, all in ruins.
***
When I was still in the village, I lived in fear for a month... Well, I wasn't afraid for myself, I was worried about people who came to my house to eat and sleep... I was thinking, if my house is bombed, so many people will die... My children also used to come, rest, and go... When they [Azerbaijani military] captured Hadrut, people started fleeing through the forests, with their sheep, cows... Once my younger son brought some strangers, I said, “Who are they, son?” he said, “Mama, they fled to our village to transfer the wounded to Goris [Armenia] after.” I welcomed all of them and prepared food, they stayed the night and left in the morning after breakfast.
***
About 10-20 houses were burned by bombs when I was still there. I was there, but I was hiding, so I didn’t go look... I could hear how this neighbor's house exploded, that one’s started burning… Our barn was also bombed, we had a barn not far from our house, we had chickens, rabbits, pigs... all exploded.

Our house still stands... Neighbors' houses have been leveled to the ground, but since our house is a very big one, 280 square meters, Azerbaijani soldiers are staying there...
***
I got married very young, I was 17 years old. Had neither brains nor problems. I was a housewife, brought up three children, then grandchildren... had a big vegetable and greens garden... We used to pick the vegetables and take them to the market to sell. My grandchildren had everything. Now it’s been 8 months since I’ve been here, and neither my legs nor my back are working. I was a strong woman, but now my legs are too weak, I can’t even go somewhere to work as a cleaner. My hands are too weak. My only joy is my children now, I have nothing else left.
***
I didn't bring anything from Artsakh. I thought, I'm leaving my boys here, I should not care about things, God will see it, and will be upset with me, he will say that I’m leaving my boys, but I care about glasses or clothes...

So I looked at my house, looked around... and left. I didn't say goodbye to my boys either, I said "If I say goodbye, something bad will happen. Let me just look at you right now and go. Don't come near me, don't hug me. I will wait for you in Yerevan, whether we win or lose, I will wait for you, don't let me down."
***
Well, if I see a psychologist, will my pain go away? It won’t get any better. I need to be back to my village, to my house, to our family graves, where I can rest, cry, and feel a little better. Talking won’t change anything. If they give us back our house, we won't be upset anymore, won't cry, or get angry. We would live as before, earning our bread with our hard work.

2. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ԵՐԿՐՈՐԴ / SECOND ENCOUNTER

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Recorded in August, 2021

In the morning of September 27, I woke up to loud sounds, louder than thunder. Our village is located next to an asphalt road, which was being repaired at that time, the highway leading to Stepanakert [capital of Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh)] - Red Market. So at first, I thought I was hearing construction noises. But then I realized that the sounds are not coming from one specific place, they are coming from different places.

I woke my husband up quickly... since it was Sunday, we were still sleeping. I said, “The war has started“, and he said, ''No, it's construction, they are widening the road.'' Then, in 15 minutes or so we learn that the war has really started.

So what should we do? My sister, younger than me, was in Stepanakert, and [in the news] they kept saying that Stepanakert was being bombed, Stepanakert was under attack. I started calling her, but she wasn't answering... I called her neighbor... half an hour later the neighbor picked up and said [my sister] is driving, they are coming to the village. The location of our village makes it hard for the Turks to reach. At least in 1992, they didn’t. Knowing that, everyone who moved to Stepanakert for work or study, all started coming back to the village to get away from bombings. All in one day... even in a few hours. And so did my sister.

Since our house was located at the very entrance of the village, I was constantly looking at the road, worried for my sister, because she’s not a very good driver... Her husband taught her, he said she might need it one day. And she did... She drove all the way back to the village and brought her family and her neighbor's family.

My sister's neighbor stayed in the village for 2 days only, then her husband sent her to Armenia. As for us... first, we weren’t thinking of leaving for the Republic of Armenia, because we were sure that the Turks would definitely not reach the village. But within 2 days our village became empty, all the women and children were leaving. Our family did not approve of this first. “Why are they leaving, if people come from other villages, from Hadrut, Martakert, who who would give them a cup of tea, and something to eat? At least we could be useful in that way'' we said. Then we saw that people are not leaving the villages, they are leaving Artsakh.

On October 3, we went out to breathe some air with the children, one of the children was four at that time, the other - two... and we saw there was no one left in the village. Only a few women and no children, the last group of children had left an hour ago. So I tell my husband, ''Maybe we should leave too, maybe you should send us away.'' So he listened to me. He drove me, his sister, his sister’s daughter, and our two small children. Then he went back to [try to persuade] his mother to leave too. My husband's brother's wife and child came to the village from Stepanakert, and my husband's sister from Shushi [city in Artsakh] came to the village with her two children, their husbands went to war. My husband is also a medic by profession, so he went to the military point and said “I am in Karabakh, I have not left Artsakh, if I am needed I am in the village“.

And so on October 3, my husband drove us to the city of Qajaran, Syunik region [Armenia], to a friend's house. They treated us well there, but we were always with the village in our thoughts.

When we were still in the village, they [Azerbaijani military] were not bombarding our village yet, but we noticed drones. So, the children, more the elder one, were scared of the sounds of drones. Each time he heard the sound he started shaking. We didn’t want all that stress and fear to have deep consequences on children's health, so we had to leave. I mentioned that my sister had also come to the village, she also left with us and brought her children. I also have another sister who isn't married, so she went to Stepanakert, and started helping with distributing food, water, baking bread, did whatever she could do to help in that situation. Then they moved to Shushi and started helping there. Shortly after that Shushi was bombarded as well, and they had to leave.
***
When we were already in Armenia, I called my husband and my father every day, they stayed behind in the village, to see what the situation was, and whether we were going to go back or not. We were hopeful until October 24. On October 24 they started bombing the village, and bombed for two days, on October 26, the village fell into the hands of the Azerbaijanis, and the first thing they did when they went in, had been to set everything on fire. Now, looking at the videos Azerbaijanis posted online, I see how they burned the houses of the village, and how they destroyed everything there.

So... On November 11, we moved from Qajaran to Yerevan, to the building of the Armenian General Benevolent Union, and we're still here.
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My sister with her two girlfriends helped a lot. They baked bread in Stepanakert. When the power plant in Stepanakert was bombed and the electricity got cut off, they were helping to prepare water bottles for transportation to the front. After that, they went to Shushi... Stepanakert was already being heavily bombarded, so they started doing whatever they could to be useful in Shushi. When the church
[St. Ghazanchetsots] was bombed they were there. That day, the mother of one of their friends said, “You must get out, the three of you should not stay in Artsakh any longer, you must get out. If something happens to us, at least there will be someone to find us.“ As far as I remember, my sister left Artsakh on October 17.
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There is a village near Stepanakert, called Qrasni, the authorities are planning to build houses for Aknaghbyur village residents
[whose houses were bombed and the village was seized by Azerbaijan], 100 houses, so that people can resettle there. I don't know to be honest, should we stay in Yerevan... should we go back... or leave Yerevan... We are staying here at the moment and will stay for another year, because my husband is a university student, in his final year. We’ll wait at least after he graduates, then we'll see. Of course, we do want to go back and live in Artsakh. But live in our own home. Now that it’s gone... living in Stepanakert, living in Qrasni, or in Qajaran, it's the same thing, it's the same foreign space, you just have to adapt to that environment, accept it, and live. At least for the children, because life goes on. We must bring them up and ensure a good future for them as much as possible. So that at least they don't live through the hardships that we did. If it is possible.
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We lived with the grandmother, my husband's mother. We had a house, and a piece of land where we were growing vegetables. My husband and I worked at the school, after school we worked on our small land so that we wouldn't have to buy vegetables, and the children eat healthy. We kept birds. There were cattle herders in the village, so we always bought the meat fresh. And now we eat meat, but we aren’t sure what we are eating. The taste of vegetables, cucumbers, and tomatoes doesn't seem right either, something is missing, and even greens don't smell. Everything completely changed, including our family, the grandmother stayed in Karabakh, Artsakh, and we stayed in Yerevan, the family was separated.
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On the 26th, a day before the war started... we have a garden next to the village, an orchard with apple and walnut trees... We went there and picked some apples, walnuts, brought them home... the harvest season was starting, and it was time to prepare for the winter. Who could have known, that we'd wake up the next morning and the work would be interrupted before it even started, I mean our farming work. So I guess the Azerbaijanis ate the fruits and walnuts that we picked. Because our house, according to their
[Azerbaijanis'] pictures, is now a barracks for them. I mentioned that it's the first house when you enter the village, conveniently placed. It’s close to their current military positions and from the next village. There are 2 roads, one goes into our village, the other leads to the next close by village. It is a good position, so they have settled there.

There is a Facebook page, fellow villagers opened it, we write to each other in the group. So we see the Azerbaijanis are dancing in one's house, the other's house is not there, it is burnt down to the ground, etc... They [the Azerbaijani soldiers] put these videos public on YouTube, and we, our fellow villagers, download it from YouTube and put it in the Facebook group.
***
We had thick curtains in our house, we thought that if there was no light, and we turned off our cellphones, they
[Azerbaijani military] wouldn't find us, and they wouldn't do anything. Because our village... there was no military unit near the village, there were no military reserves, and we thought that they wouldn't shoot. That drone cannot be used against civilians in a house, it's an expensive device after all. We were wondering, why are the drones here, what are they doing here? We couldn’t have thought that they were imaging the area, making the map of our roads and our forests, to come and reach Shushi. They seized Hadrut on October 17-18, so later we thought that they would’ve gone through our village, and the neighboring one to enter Shushi from Hadrut.

Our school was bombed, our club building was bombed, and at that time some of our soldiers were staying there. I mentioned that my husband left Artsakh on the 26th, the village was already being shelled, and he took a picture of how the bomb entered right through the window of the second floor when our soldiers were there... And then how they were bombing around the school.

I don't know... it was an incomprehensible war. More than 600... 860 people who lived in the village lost their houses, and everything else.
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Now, in Artsakh, there are Azerbaijani military in some parts, Russian peacekeepers in other parts, and Armenians who continue living there... I think they are stronger [than me] that they went back... because it is an impossible situation there. During the day you might get busy going to work, and your day goes by, but when the evening comes and you lay your head on the pillow, you start thinking about what is happening around you, what chaos... and so much uncertainty, uncertainty until today...
***
If you don't take care of your house, if you don't arrange the borders of your house in such a way that an animal couldn’t enter and destroy your vegetables, damage the work you have done, the Russians, others, will not come and put up a fence for you so that the potatoes you grow don't get damaged. We have to defend ourselves, if we don't protect our borders, why would the Russians protect them. And at what cost to us, what they would ask in return. If Artsakh is given to Russia and becomes part of Russia, a Russian territory... It's all so unclear, and confusing. Uncertainty after uncertainty, and until when... Their goal is to drive Armenians out of Artsakh, but we will endure... but for how long?

During the Soviet Union, we [Armenians and Azerbaijanis] lived side by side but there hasn’t been so much bloodshed then. The enmity is deeper and the fear is even greater now that we won't be able to live peacefully next to each other. That's probably why the peacekeepers are there, but who said that after some years the situation will change, it won’t. How can you forget your child, how can your brother forget his brother, who was killed by an Azerbaijani? Now they [Azerbaijanis] judge our war prisoners in court, saying that in the 90s you killed so-and-so... It is the same with us, and that enmity has not disappeared, but has deepened, because so much blood has been shed.

We need strength from somewhere, we need support. We chose Russia... I don't know if this was the right decision... throughout history, we keep choosing Russia to support us, and we keep losing, we keep losing all the time...
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The children are slowly finding themselves... they are active... starting slowly to… I feel guilty for saying this, but... to forget. Perhaps that is our goal, that’s why we are here till now, so that the children forget. Looks like they will.

1. ԶՐՈՒՅՑ ԱՌԱՋԻՆ / FIRST ENCOUNTER

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Recorded in August, 2021

The majority of our society has been deeply affected by the war, as far as I know. As for me and my son... At that time my son had already been in military service for a year and three months, he was 19 years old. In the last months, especially in the last year, he was already an accomplished soldier, a position lead. He died on September 30.

He was happy. In his own way, he felt accomplished. A person very kind and willing, sincere, somewhat strict... People listened to him, even soldiers older than him took his opinion into account. Knowing his character, I knew that it would be like that. They [the boys he was serving with] come and tell me how successful he was. He was awarded with a gift from the ministry, a watch... When he died... I don't know why I felt that this watch still exists somewhere. The watch was in the investigation department of Goris [a town in Syunik, Armenia]. When the body was brought in, the employees took everything off at that time. In short, that watch was one of the few things from him we were left with. Also, the small phone, which he left with the boys, the winter coat, which was also left with the boys... Relics, mementos from the army.

We were searching for him for 25 long days... He was lost, lost because his name and surname were not recorded. When he died, the boys took his body to Jabrayil hospital, where for some reason, probably because of chaotic times, the doctors did not record his name. To this day there are many such children [young boys] in morgues, and their parents are still searching... That's how we lost Vahe.

After a while, the authorities started taking records. The recognizable corpses were numbered, and photographed, the files compiled and placed in filing systems of morgues... One day my husband's brother saw a photograph and assumed it might be Vahe. Finally was him, but there was no name or a surname, nothing... the morgue employees called him "the boy with the cross", because the wooden pendant cross that the soldiers usually wear remained on him until the last second, and the employees did not remove it either. The photo had been numbered, matching with corpse number XX... Good luck searching for another five months, if you don't recognize your son... Me and my husband were able to recognize him, thank God we went too because my husband's brother was in such as shock that he was unable to identify him from the photo. The eye color of a corpse fades, changes, and becomes bluish-gray, so my husband's brother said that our boy doesn't have blue eyes. His features were recognizable, but the face was wounded, covered in dirt, and blood, so he didn't realize that it was Vahe, because his eyes had already faded at the time the photo had been taken. His picture was taken about two weeks after his death, and recorded in the filing system under a number. There were so many parents who weren't mentally ready to go look at the photographs of all the corpses one by one. You simply have no idea how it feels. I was feeling like a zombie, but even then I couldn't sit in front of that screen for more than five minutes. Half-destroyed heads, faces covered in blood, one leg and one arm... Seeing those pictures and going through them... you know, it's terrible... I don't know, I have no words. It's a road that hasn't even ended yet…

When I found him after his death... it was a very difficult period. I'm better now, sometimes I feel, not think, just feel, that Vahik is there, somewhere far from me, but he exists... the mother's bond with the boy is a little too strong, and that sense still works. I don't know how long it will work.

After finding Vahik, I was saying I died too... But when I found him, I felt as if there was such a wave of energy... a ball… The coffin was closed. Well after 25 days, my poor kid... it was no longer Vahe. But that "ball of energy", entered into me. After that, even during the funeral, I forbade everyone to cry. I was saying, smile, Vahe is back. He was a cheerful person. He had a very sensitive heart. We finally found Vahe, Vahe is back. Many people told me afterwards they had never seen such a peaceful funeral... because there were many difficult situations at that time... To help you understand: there was a queue for picking up corpses from the morgue on that day, a queue!

Then, months later, people told me they were amazed with my reaction, how calm I was that day. That's because I finally found him. Until then I was crazy, a walking corpse, a schizophrenic crazy. On the day of the DNA test, they could hardly squeeze four drops of blood from my finger. The doctor was stunned. All these feelings... I wouldn't wish it on anyone to go through this.

The whole city [Yerevan] resembled a scene from a horror movie, like the ones where everyone is infected with a virus... The whole city was in that state, all of Armenia was in that state! While searching for Vahe, we have reached Ghapan, Sisyan, Goris, all in vain. Long lists of wounded…

One day, I received a call saying that Vahik was being brought to Erebuni by helicopter. Oh, how we ran... We waited for an hour, two hours, they finally brought three people, but Vahik was not among them... Every God's Day, we entered the resuscitative care units in the morning, and we checked each person one by one to see if it was Vahe. Many were completely wounded and could not speak.

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I had a feeling for a long time that Vahe is gone. I had a vision of Vahik's closed casket, the memorial service, and me sitting next to it. I had a vision the day before he died. I continued searching for him because if I hadn't found Vahe by now, I would probably have committed suicide. It is unbearable. Somehow one can feel a false hope that he is still alive, but since I knew for sure that he is gone... You know how many people have caught me saying clearly, "Vahe is gone, understand that! If Vahik were still alive, he would have communicated with us where he was a long time ago. Don't you understand?" Vahe is not that boy, Vahe is not a runaway... On that day he was wounded once, went down to the medical point, got bandaged, and got back up to his unit's position. He didn't leave his soldiers, didn't betray them. He was shot within an hour and a half after that... The commander later told me: "Oh, so actually he did not run away" I said, "Yeah, actually he didn't."

***

Giving ourselves a foolish hope that they are in a good place, we somehow continue "walking" towards them. Hoping that one day we will meet. I believe in one thing, my feelings, my universe, my connection with him. Thanks to this I created "Haverj" a non-governmental organization, which is helping mothers. Actually, this was his doing too… so that I wouldn't go mad. I asked him for that.

***

Now I communicate with probably about 160 mothers. And what makes me happy in all this... First, that it is the continuation of Vahe, the continuation of Vahik's work. Whenever the boys serving with Vahe were telling me about him, they all said that he had saved a lot of people during that time, during three days... Just three days. So I promised myself that I would save other mothers. Because not everyone is able to quickly get out of this nightmare, they need help. That's why, little by little, with the help of my relatives, friends, colleagues - people I have met in my changed life, who want to do something good, to help others... we are now doing a psychological support program. We are teaching a group of mothers the skills of a psychologist-consultant, and they will go to administrative regions as psychologist-consultants. We are being trained, there are 10-12 of us. Together with social workers, and professional psychologists, who are currently working on a program in different administrative districts of the city, we will accompany them to meetings with mothers. Unfortunately, our society has a very hard time communicating with mothers like us. And it was very surprising for people that I could speak to them, and even suggest to them how they should communicate with me and behave around me. To this day, some people feel uneasy when meeting me. And I understand, it's hard... finding words is very hard... Even psychologists have a hard time, and they are surprised that there was a group of mothers, ready to help them. Since I already had a personal experience, I was able to establish contact with mothers, wives of the victims, and sisters... In the group, there are officers' wives who became young widows, left to raise their children alone...

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This is how we live now... What can I say, there are different stories, all of them very sad, and very cruel. Honestly, if I compare myself to others... I am also the mother of the soldier but thank God at least I have my own job, I found my own way. I am doing something that gave me some power to live... create... do something... Even if it's useless. Honestly, I don't know. I try to rationalize it with something that I built, that is connected to my son's path that I continue. That's it...

Նախագծում ներառված տեքստը և ձայնագրությունները չեն կարող օգտագործվել երրորդ անձանց կողմից առանց ծրագրի հեղինակի հստակ գրավոր թույլտվության: Արգելվում է ներկայացված տեքստի և ձայնագրությունների ամբողջությամբ կամ մասնակի օգտագործումը՝ մասնակիցներին որևէ վնաս պատճառելու, պատմությունը շահարկելու կամ խեղաթյուրելու նպատակով:

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Anna Grigorian is an experimental artist from Armenia, whose art practice is currently based between Canada and Armenia. With a background in sculpture, literature, and photography, her current chosen medium is moving image. Her video work revolves around socio political and economic problems, and examination of power relations, through mixing elements of theater, early cinema, and constructed surreal environments.